I'm sick and tired of being told to prove that there is no god.

The level of ignorance in my generation when it comes to belief in god is incredible. I am consistently disappointed in my generation when it comes to participation and debate in the political and social realm. Here are my common arguments that consistently cannot be answered (and that get labeled "hateful" for a reason unbeknownst to me):

1. The burden of proof is essential, yet no one seems to understand the importance of this aspect. The burden lies with he or she who makes the first positive claim. The believer must be required to show proof of god's existence before anyone else can deny his existence or even inquire into what the characteristics of the divine may entail. For those that don't accept this proposition, I simply assert to them that there is an invisible teapot on the other side of the moon with a dwarf in it that shoots glitter out of its boobs -- and I ask them if they believe in this teapot. When they say no, I say "Why not?" and they seem to be puzzled (and this is where they claim I am "pushing my beliefs on others"). This brings me to the idea that since neither believers nor non-believers can prove their position, that they are somehow of equal weight and significance. This statement is in gross contradiction with the burden of proof. If neither stance can be empirically proven, then the rational stance is that which adheres to the principle of the burden of proof.

2. The emergence of process theology has posed a particular problem for secular philosophy. The best way of going about this conflict is the issue of predictability. Process theologians claim that god is simply polar in his or her characteristics. They claim that god is not compassionate, but our experience of him or her is compassionate. To me, this is simple word play and almost places theists into a Taoist/Confucian realm. The idea of predictability comes to be of great importance in the conversation between process theologians and secularists. These theologians will claim that god is omniscient, but that he or she only knows what is possible. The best way to confront this statement is pointing out that while the world is in fact unknowable, it is in no way, shape, or form unpredictable. Predictability relies not on knowing but predicting, which is something that our species has undoubtedly come very far in. We can predict, for example, how this world will end (either by the explosion of our sun or the collision of our galaxy with the Andromeda galaxy). This also raises quite a bit of questions when it comes to prophecies. If god cannot know the future because of our inherent capability of free will, where do the prophecies fit in that claim to know what future individuals will do? This is of great importance considering the discovery of the Gospel of Judas. If process theologians claim that god does not know what we will decide, then it makes perfect sense when the GOJ says that Jesus (if he even existed) told Judas to betray him. Process theology has essentially made the point that Jesus was a complete and utter fraud. 

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    Mike Hungerford

    Quote, from Tom Sarbeck:

    I do have one question: how iconoclastic is an iconoclast as inveterate as any I'll ever meet?

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    Well, off the top of my head, there's the fact that that I'm a life-long, very Conservative Republican who takes an almost perverse pleasure in trashing Richard Nixon any time the opportunity presents (guarantee that doesn't score me any popularity points among my Conservative peers).

    That tell you anything?
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      Michael Penn

      I see no burden of proof, but Christians claim there is one. It's absurd. Their "reliable evidence" is the Bible, those 66 books all stitched together into one volume of "infallibility." This is the message to mankind. Now just take that first book Genesis and you see plainly that the "message" is so flawed that it's total bullshit. Original sin because of a tree of knowledge. It makes no sense to most modern day clergymen but they cannot throw it out because doing so makes them and religion no longer needed. If you have no "sin" then you have no reason to have a "redeemer." I do not have to prove that "there is no God" but I do say that if the "message" is so flawed then it follows logic thinking to say there is no "messenger." In other words, God does not want to talk to you and did not write instructions in a book! Christian apologists throughout the ages turn original sin into SEX. If you take the forbidden fruit literally then it must have been oral sex. Just on and on with more absurdity. No message - no messenger!

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        James M. Martin

        Seems to me, you don't have to prove there is no god.  The believers are the ones making spectacular claims.  They should be the ones to come forth with spectacular proof.

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