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An eternal question, what is the purpose of life?, occupied philosophers’ thoughts throughout history. Stone pictographs reveal even primitive peoples reflected on this query. Each one has the capacity to define his or her personal thinking about politics, economics and religion.

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Why we're headed for another Great Crash

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Joan Denoo Jul 2. 1 Reply

Thom Hartmann makes a case that we're driving the economy to another Great Crash.The denial of fundamental economic principles is setting the world up for another Great Crash.... corporate banks have ... discovered that instead of lending money to…Continue

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Climate Politics of US State Governors

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Casey Pittman Jul 3. 1 Reply

Is the governor of your state suckling at the fossil fuel industry teat, while climate disasters whack citizens? As a Pennsylvanian, I'm ashamed to say mine is.... over 77 percent of all oil and gas contributions are being funneled to governors who…Continue

Tags: , , Extreme weather disasters, Change, Climate, State Governors

Tipping points of class and climate

Started by Joan Denoo Jul 1. 0 Replies

I don't know the history of the influences creating a World War I, other than cultures deeply divided by class. The wealthy were born to entitlement that the poor were not. I wonder what were the cause of unrest. The settlement, …Continue

Tags: Third, class, World, cheap, labor

Trade in Services Agreement = World Coroprate Domination

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Ruth Anthony-Gardner Jun 29. 2 Replies

It sounds like science fiction: "the giant corporations and the billionaires behind them ... are negotiating among themselves the rules for world corporate domination in the 21st century." But this is really happening.…Continue

Tags: World Corporate Domination, financial deregulation, TISA, Trade in Services Agreement

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Comment by Loren Miller on September 18, 2012 at 9:24am

Robert, you have the right to think as you please regarding abortion and to express that opinion.  What you do NOT have is the right to superimpose your opinion on someone else, and sure as hell not a woman with an unwanted pregnancy who may be struggling with her options.

If she carries the pregnancy to term, that's her choice.  If she aborts it, again, her choice.  Not yours, not mine, HERS ... and as it happens, her choice is supported as the current law of the land.  Whether you value the life she is carrying isn't the point.  It's the value SHE puts on it that counts, and neither of us get a vote on that.

Note what I said earlier: that these people look to make their bigotry UNIVERSAL.  Personally, I'm looking to do no such thing.  I don't force my sensibilities on others, and by the same token, I expect my sensibilities to be left unmolested.  Now, if you want to allege that a blastomere or embryo or fetus has rights, then take your best shot.  Just expect a LOT of blow-back.

Comment by Robert Brown on September 18, 2012 at 8:57am

Wow Loren, as a conservative atheist it always amazes me listening to liberals. When we conservatives disagree with liberals we think you are wrong, but when liberals disagree with conservatives, not only are we wrong, but we are bigoted and many other disparaging names.

I think a human is its own person after it has its first heartbeat. So I am against abortion after that, but pro-abortion folks conveniently forget the human life in the woman and only focus on the mothers rights.  What about rights the woman or man growing in her womb?

And this opinion of mine doesn't just make me wrong in your eyes, it makes me Bigoted? Way to "respect" the right of people to have different opinions folks.

Don't get so hung up on the name calling the way religious people do when they disagree with someone. I am not going to hell because I don't believe in a god and I am not a bigot just because I value the life of an innocent unborn child over the reproductive choices of women that had chosen to have unprotected sex and got pregnant.

Please keep in mind that not all atheist are liberals, so just because we are right that there is no god that doesn't indicate that everything we believe in is also true.  The name calling is a lazy way of not having to find a reasonable way to counter an argument.  They are a bigot, so I don't have to even consider their point of view justified.

And coming from a conservative point of view, I have received more discrimination in expressing myself from liberals than religious people.  At least religious people hear me out as an atheist and will try to befriend me to convert me.  Liberals often just shut down conservative conversations with name calling so they don't have to deal with opposing views.

 

Comment by Loren Miller on September 18, 2012 at 7:49am

Melinda, the problem with too many such people is that they think they have the right to discriminate, to be bigoted, and to make their bigotry universal.  When their ignorance is educated to the contrary, then they think their "rights" have been infringed upon when they never had such rights to begin with.

Meanwhile we're stuck tolerating their intolerance, or so goes the supposition ... except that we DO point out their behavior and intolerance and its deleterious effects ... and they get all upset again.

May be the closest thing to perpetual motion that man will ever get.

Comment by booklover on September 18, 2012 at 7:42am

Joan that is EXACTLY RIGHT.  We have to respect others right to believe something, but we do NOT have to respect the belief. 

Ruth, Awesome pic of the difference between the Koreas! :)

Comment by booklover on September 18, 2012 at 7:35am

Thank you Joan.  I learn so much from you.  There are so many smart people on here to learn from, and I'm very grateful for that.

As to the religious fearing that they are having their rights taken away, while in the mean time they try to take away the rights of others, like you mentioned, LGBT, Women's reproduction, etc., I just find that kind of thinking really scary.  It's scary because they can't see the other side of it.  They truly believe that because what THEY believe is right and true, that they aren't taking away rights that other people should be allowed to have.  And there are so many of 'them.'

Comment by Joan Denoo on September 18, 2012 at 6:04am

Ruth, such a stark contrast between North and South and the photos say it all. 
sk8eycat, my new motto:  "I respect a person's right to believe whatever they want to, but I don't have to respect what he/she believes."

Steph and Booklover, I thoroughly enjoy reading your comments; we recognize challenges exist even as we enjoy living. 

Comment by sk8eycat on September 18, 2012 at 1:54am

Joan, Re: "Why should an atheist respect something he/she does not respect."

Years ago I heard a talking head on a TV panel discussion say," I disagree with him completely, but I have to respect his beliefs." and I yelled at the screen, "WHYYYYY?"

Ever since then I have used this statement: "I respect a person's right to believe whatever they want to, but I don't have to respect what he/she believes."

There is a difference.

Comment by Ruth Anthony-Gardner on September 17, 2012 at 11:33pm

A picture is worth...

Comment by Joan Denoo on September 17, 2012 at 6:50pm

The New Religious Intolerance: Overcoming the Politics of Fear in a...

Is it not interesting that religious individuals and institutions, concerned about intolerance against them, express fear that religious intolerance is on the rise, even as various different religions express intolerance against GLBT, family planning, women's right to control her own body, women in leadership positions, and intolerance of other religions?

Comment by Joan Denoo on September 17, 2012 at 3:22pm

Chris Martenson, Crash Course, Chapter 20
There is a very simple decision making tool that I use, and Chris Martenson used in this video. Place a problem statement on the verticle axis with a "True" or "False"; place an option statement on the horizontal axis with a "True" or "False". Then answer the questions in each of the four boxes.

 
 
 

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