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Politics, Economics, and Religion

Religion has so many connections to political and economic beliefs, there needs to be a place to identify linkages, problems, goals, options, action plans and evaluation criteria.  

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What is the purpose of life?

An eternal question, what is the purpose of life?, occupied philosophers’ thoughts throughout history. Stone pictographs reveal even primitive peoples reflected on this query. Each one has the capacity to define his or her personal thinking about politics, economics and religion.

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Greta Christina: Why Being Liberal Really Is Better Than Being Conservative

Started by Grinning Cat. Last reply by Grinning Cat Dec 20. 10 Replies

Worth a read! Greta Christina explains philosopher Rebecca Goldstein's observation on a fundamental difference between "liberal" and "conservative" core values, and why things aren't as simple as "agreeing to disagree" between two "equally valid"…Continue

Tags: purity, democracy, loyalty, authority, avoidance of harm

You Can't Educate People Into Believing in Evolution

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Loren Miller Dec 1. 4 Replies

"Hill found that religious belief was the strongest determinant of people's views on evolution—much more so than education, socioeconomic status, age, political views, or region of the country. More importantly, "Creationists are substantially more…Continue

Tags: confront, evolution, creationism, beliefs

Karen Armstrong is dangerous

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Sheeva Nov 25. 17 Replies

"Karen Armstrong is dangerous. She’s dangerous because her blanket of tedious verbiage hides the truth that she wants us to completely ignore the dangers of religious dogma.  It appears that for her, there is no harmful dogma that can be pinned on…Continue

Tags: oppression, nihilism, politics, religious dogma, Karen Armstrong

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Comment by Tom Sarbeck on February 1, 2013 at 11:19pm

Jefferson followed by the five guys below. IRONY capitalized and bolded!

In a letter to P. S. du Pont de Nemours, Jefferson recommended enlightening the people.

Did he say enriching some people might be dangerous?

One of the du Pont family offspring feared that the 1930s Depression would damage Americans' faith in capitalism. He and a few other wealthy people plotted to overthrow the Roosevelt administration and install Italian fascism.

Search Wikipedia for "business plot" or "Smedley Butler" to read the story.

Comment by Joan Denoo on February 1, 2013 at 6:42pm

Bank CEOs 

Bank of America - Ken Lewis - net worth - $65 million. 

CitiGroup - Charles Prince - retired in 2007 due to unexpectedly poor 3rd quarter performance, mainly due to CDO andMBS related losses, while still receiving a $38m pay package.

JP Morgan - Jamie Diamond - net worth of $400 million and annual salary of $27.5 million.

Goldman Sachs - Lloyd Blankfein "Doing God's Work". net worth of $450 million; annual salary $55 million. 

Former Sec. Treasury - Henry Paulson - 2008 - led government efforts aimed at avoiding a severe economic slowdown.  

Left Goldman Sachs in 1974 then Investment Banking group. He left  with $37 million in 2005, and $16.4 million projected for 2006. His net worth estimated at over $700 million.



Sorry, no room for references. 

Comment by Joan Denoo on February 1, 2013 at 1:58pm
https://www.facebook.com/highlander.center
Rosa Parks trained here before getting on the bus with the intent to sit in front and resist. It take preparation to have the courage to take action. The good news, we can learn.
Comment by Joan Denoo on February 1, 2013 at 12:24pm

Another world is happening

"The birth of the global Occupy movement was the big bang of humanity’s next phase of evolution. It created an unprecedented wild new ecosystem of energy throughout the world, an ecosystem of mass transformation. It empowered a new generation of aware and engage leaders. Millions of people turned on, let out of the propaganda cage, freed from the mental police state, freed from conditioned consciousness.

"Occupy is a consciousness expanding phenomenon.

"We are developing a highly sophisticated collective consciousness that transcends the conditioning of  archaic shortsighted greed-addicted forces.

"A critical mass of humanity is now awake and aware of the obsolete systems that limit our potential.

"We have now entered a new age of enlightenment. The renaissance has begun.

"The evolution is in process."

~ OccupyEvolver.com

Comment by Joan Denoo on February 1, 2013 at 12:19pm
" Enlighten the people generally, and tyranny and oppressions of body and mind will vanish like evil spirits at the dawn of day."
~ Jefferson, Thomas
Source: THOMAS JEFFERSON, letter to P. S. du Pont de Nemours, April 24, 1816.The Writings of Thomas Jefferson, ed. Paul L. Ford, vol. 10, p. 25 .
Comment by Joan Denoo on January 31, 2013 at 8:35pm
Tom, you wrote, "A downside: growing up in a cut-throat capitalist economy with an oligarchical/plutocratic politics (with authoritarian religions) doesn't help Americans learn how to function in a democracy."
That is exactly correct. Our population doesn't know how to function in a democracy ... the good news, some can learn. Everyone benefits by self-responsibility in community. Not being a slave to corporations, or to a time-card-punch-in style of life.
I think we are coming to the end of dominance/obedience, control/acquiescence, and dualistic type thinking.
Religion teaches one to obey; the worst possible thing to achieve. It tells us to sacrifice; for what, to whom; who decides?
Optimism bubbles up in me; change is coming and it is good.
Comment by Tom Sarbeck on January 31, 2013 at 6:29pm

Triple Damn!!!

I survived 12 years in Catholic schools; in my teens I worked after school and weekends in a mom, pop and kids grocery store; I minored in economics; and for 40 years I've been doing serious politics. How did I only minutes ago find this discussion?

A woman asked me recently if I'm a socialist and I said I'm a collective capitalist: I want employees, not sociopaths, to own workplaces.

For multiple reasons I'm optimistic:

* A 1970s Harvard Business Review said companies owned by their employees are environmentally kinder and experience less employee thefts,

* Since the 1970s, federal tax law privileges founders of businesses who when they retire sell to their employees (perhaps via ESOPs); and

* A 2007 book says employees in America own more than eleven thousand workplaces. Some (i.e., Publix Markets in the southeast) are large companies.

A downside: growing up in a cut-throat capitalist economy with an oligarchical/plutocratic politics (with authoritarian religions) doesn't help Americans learn how to function in a democracy.

Comment by Joan Denoo on January 31, 2013 at 5:41pm

Wal-Mart, the behemoth from Bentonville, Ark., with its nationally destabilizing business model, dangerously undermines USA's local and national economies and middle class and exploits and manipulates workers in poor countries. Overseas workers often work in unsafe conditions, for very low wages, and many do not have a rise in their living standards. Some do not have access to health care or education. 

Bernie Sanders says Walmart heirs own more wealth than bottom 40 pe...

Six members of the Walton family appear on the Forbes 400 list of the wealthiest Americans.

No. 6: Christy Walton, $25.3 billion 

No. 9: Jim Walton, $23.7 billion

No. 10: Alice Walton, $23.3 billion

No. 11: S. Robson Walton, oldest son of Sam Walton, $23.1 billion

No. 103: Ann Walton Kroenke, $3.9 billion 

No. 139: Nancy Walton Laurie, $3.4 billion

That’s a grand total of $102.7 billion for the whole family.

Oh! you can promise to hire 100,000 returning war vets and are you also promising living wages for all Walmart employees?

Comment by Joan Denoo on January 31, 2013 at 5:21pm

USA population is now 315,249,680. How are we, as a nation, going to feed, house, provide health care, education, retirement, if there are not enough living-wage jobs in our economy? 

What are we going to do with those who can't find work? Should we be sending our unemployed men and women off to foreign lands to do their mischief just to get these people on a payroll? Why can't we put them on a payroll to stay home, tend to their communities and needs of their families. 

Sure someone has to pay and the wealthy seem to be well able to avoid paying taxes that will help cover all these needs.

Should we take the poor out to a ditch and shoot them? One bullet per human being should be enough. It wouldn't cost much and the wealthy wouldn't have to help pay for their care and every able bodied person could then work on a job for wages that do not support their family's basic needs. 


Just look at WalMart! The public has to help support their workers'  families, even as the WalMart family makes fortunes and enjoys the finer things in life, not even caring their underpaid workers can't feed, house, and care for their families. 

Capitalism is broken. Want more proof?

U.S. economic recovery leaving families behind

Comment by Joan Denoo on January 30, 2013 at 5:47pm

Grinning Cat, that is a great cartoon - and reflects the two sides of austerity. I'm passing it along. 

 
 
 

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