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An eternal question, what is the purpose of life?, occupied philosophers’ thoughts throughout history. Stone pictographs reveal even primitive peoples reflected on this query. Each one has the capacity to define his or her personal thinking about politics, economics and religion.

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"Tax Free" - a Music Video by Betty Bowers, Music by Joni Mitchell

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Loren Miller on Sunday. 5 Replies

I can hear it now: "Wait a minute!  What is a music video doing in a group called, 'Politics, Economics and Religion?'  Betty Bowers is more about satire and parody than any of those issues.  Shouldn't this be in another group?"And I have to answer…Continue

Tags: church, Tax Free, Joni Mitchell, Betty Bowers

Controversial Recovering From Religion Hotline a Hot Commodity

Started by Bertold Brautigan. Last reply by Loren Miller on Thursday. 4 Replies

According to Valerie Tarico, business is hot and heavy at the new Recovering from Religion Hotline. If so, this is…Continue

Tags: escaping religion

Using the Legal System to Fight Factory Farms - Michele Merkel (TEDxManhattan)

Started by Loren Miller on Thursday. 0 Replies

Think your food and/or farming isn't political?  Think again.  Michele Merkel has been up against the corporate factory farm system, initially with the EPA and later as an independent campaigner when the EPA caved to corporate pressure.  In the…Continue

Tags: EPA, farms, factory, , Michele, Merkel", TED

Atheists: In godlessness we trust (CBS News)

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Alan Perlman Apr 19. 4 Replies

A Sunday morning in church is not in the cards for those who say they're "beyond belief" -- beyond belief in the God of Scripture, anyway. And for some, the abandonment of their faith wasn't easy. Our Cover Story now from Mo Rocca:Visit Jackson,…Continue

Tags: CBS, atheism, Sunday Morning, Openly Secular, CBS News

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Comment by tom sarbeck on April 5, 2013 at 9:55pm

Yes, google national initiative and referendum.

I bring up the subject at every relevant opportunity, as I did here.

I've asked political reform organizations, one of them Common Cause, but they've replied saying they're not supporting it.

In 35 years of volunteer (unpaid) activity I've collected thousands of signatures for state initiative campaigns while living in Arizona or California.

Comment by Joan Denoo on April 5, 2013 at 2:38pm

Tom, do you see anyone on the horizon that would implement such a plan? 

Comment by Joan Denoo on April 5, 2013 at 2:37pm
"a collective capitalist" ... that sounds feasible. I read Richard Wolff, and your style resembles his. Are you familiar with his work. Like capitalism, Marxism has not been implemented as he defines it, and I wonder if it can be.
Do you have authors you can recommend?

Richard Wolff, Marxist Economist
http://billmoyers.com/guest/richard-wolff/
Comment by tom sarbeck on April 5, 2013 at 10:18am

...a different form of government that works?

Always, always, always ask "...that works for the governed."

Daniel Webster (the pre-Civil War New Hampshire DW) is reputed to have said that when the people make the decisions they won't go too far wrong, but when they let others make decisions for them they can't go right.

People sometimes ask me if I'm a socialist.

When the situation allows for some humor, I reply "I don't want the people who brought us IRS Form 1040 to bring us everything."

When I'm serious I say I'm a collective capitalist; I want employees to own and operate their workplaces. When these owner/operators need managers with special skills, they can hire (and fire) them. When they need capital, they can borrow it from investors.

Instead of the Marxian surplus value going to Wall Street gambling addicts, it goes to the owner/operators. These people might occasionally need bailouts, but taxpayer money will go to taxpayers, not to Wall Street gamblers.

Comment by Joan Denoo on April 4, 2013 at 11:58pm

Has anyone come across a different form of government that works? 

Capitalistic societies produce inequalities as well as Booms and Busts. After a bust, protection of labor increases their share of profits from production of goods and services. Over years, booms sucks money out of labor into capitalist's bank accounts. It happened many times in USA. 

Business Booms and Depressions Since 1775

Socialism is a form of government that owns, regulates and administrates the production and distribution of goods and services as it attempts to reduce social, economic, medical, and political inequalities among its’ people.

"Socialism's cons: 

Higher Cost than other forms of government, with higher taxes. 

Less Entrepreneurship to start new companies and/or restrict existing companies from being very dynamic. 

Less Rags-to-Riches as poorest people tend to not work harder, get a higher education, and innovate, because they are guaranteed a minimum standard of comfortable living. 

Big Government means more taxes, bigger bureaucracy, and more power in the government’s hands. Because governments tend to be  slow to change, it tends to mean stagnation and less innovation."

The Pros and Cons of Socialism

I wonder if all this is true? I don't know. 

What about labor owned enterprises? 

Richard Wolff on Curing Capitalism  March 22, 2013.

Comment by tom sarbeck on April 4, 2013 at 3:25pm

"BAILOUTS: From each according to his ability, to each according to his lack thereof."

Great!

A paraphrase?

"BAILOUTS: From America's wealthy a tiny fraction of their ability; to America's wealthy amounts proportional to their investments in politicians' needs."

Comment by tom sarbeck on April 4, 2013 at 3:18pm

GC and Joan,

Doesn't the Federal Deposit Insurance (FDIC) program "bail out", or protect, depositors? FDIC has been around all of my adult life and I figured it to be one of FDR's Depression-era programs.

Far left critics can attack FDIC by saying that protecting depositors also protected capitalism, but attacking capitalism's excesses by pitching small depositors to the wolves deserves little consideration.

I see Clinton's Glass-Steagall repeal, which let the gambling-addicts' banks use FDIC-insured deposits, as a gift to the gamblers.

Comment by Joan Denoo on April 4, 2013 at 11:24am

CIA Drone Strikes in Pakistan 2004–2013
Casualty Estimates, The Bureau of Investigative Journalis

Living things exist as so much fodder for imperialism, cultures have no value to those who do not respect history, principles have no influence on decisions. The USA citizens pays for all this madness.

Comment by Joan Denoo on April 4, 2013 at 1:37am

Grinning Cat,  "bailing out the individual account holders" makes a whole lot more sense to me! This experiment they tried proved to be a sham; why do they think they can get away with it again? 

Comment by Grinning Cat on April 4, 2013 at 12:38am

"BAILOUTS:
 From each according to his ability,
 to each according to his lack thereof."

Lots of truth there!

What's wrong with bailing out the individual account holders rather than the bank?

 
 
 

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