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An eternal question, what is the purpose of life?, occupied philosophers’ thoughts throughout history. Stone pictographs reveal even primitive peoples reflected on this query. Each one has the capacity to define his or her personal thinking about politics, economics and religion.

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"Tax Free" - a Music Video by Betty Bowers, Music by Joni Mitchell

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Loren Miller yesterday. 5 Replies

I can hear it now: "Wait a minute!  What is a music video doing in a group called, 'Politics, Economics and Religion?'  Betty Bowers is more about satire and parody than any of those issues.  Shouldn't this be in another group?"And I have to answer…Continue

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Controversial Recovering From Religion Hotline a Hot Commodity

Started by Bertold Brautigan. Last reply by Loren Miller on Thursday. 4 Replies

According to Valerie Tarico, business is hot and heavy at the new Recovering from Religion Hotline. If so, this is…Continue

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Using the Legal System to Fight Factory Farms - Michele Merkel (TEDxManhattan)

Started by Loren Miller on Thursday. 0 Replies

Think your food and/or farming isn't political?  Think again.  Michele Merkel has been up against the corporate factory farm system, initially with the EPA and later as an independent campaigner when the EPA caved to corporate pressure.  In the…Continue

Tags: EPA, farms, factory, , Michele, Merkel", TED

Atheists: In godlessness we trust (CBS News)

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Alan Perlman Apr 19. 4 Replies

A Sunday morning in church is not in the cards for those who say they're "beyond belief" -- beyond belief in the God of Scripture, anyway. And for some, the abandonment of their faith wasn't easy. Our Cover Story now from Mo Rocca:Visit Jackson,…Continue

Tags: CBS, atheism, Sunday Morning, Openly Secular, CBS News

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Comment by Joan Denoo on June 28, 2013 at 7:23pm

"Starting with the book of Genesis, we learn that he’s an insanely angry deity. Of the many atrocities committed in the Old Testament, God is usually the sole participator. The Genesis authors record the first such instance in chapters 6-8 as the account of Noah’s flood.

God decided "to drown the entire world, killing nearly every living person and animal on earth, (because of his belief that people are evil and unworthy of existence (Genesis 6:5)."

"Drowning is a horrible way for people to die. As a result of hopelessly treading water for hours, their muscles burned due to large amounts of lactic acid production. Once they finally gave up, went under, and held their breaths, acidic carbon dioxide eroded their lungs until the unbearable pain forced them to inhale where there was no air for them to breathe. The water brought into their lungs robbed their bodies of oxygen, causing them to go numb. As water violently rushed in and out of their chests, the currents eventually laid their heavily breathing, slowly dying bodies at the bottom of the ocean. The inhaled water caused their lungs to tear and bleed profusely. As their blood supply dwindled, their hearts slowly came to a halt. Even so, their brains continued to process information for another couple of minutes. They were patently aware that death was imminent, yet they could do nothing to speed it or prevent it."

God created man and woman from man's rib. If he did do the creating, why would he use drowning to destroy what he made? Or why did he burn the town with sulfur if his designs gave them free will? That makes no sense. If a machinist makes a machine and it doesn't work, he redesigns it to get rid of flaws. He continues the process until the machine is perfected. Why did god use second-hand, faulty material to rebuild his adoring adherents?

The Darker Side Of God

http://www.biblicalnonsense.com/chapter9.html

 

Comment by Joan Denoo on June 28, 2013 at 6:44pm

What If Robert Reich Told You That Immigration Reform Would SAVE Ou...

Reich makes valid points in this presentation. Fear-mongers tell a very different story. 

Comment by Joan Denoo on June 28, 2013 at 6:15pm

Pay of top restaurant industry CEOs in 2012 averages 788 times the ...

Workers, things are not going to change because CEOs feel embarrassed or ashamed of exploiting workers. Nor is the government going to step in and get you living wages. Workers! You might as well get over it. If yo want better wages you need to organize into unions and refuse to work for wages that can't support a family. It is that simple. 

Comment by tom sarbeck on June 28, 2013 at 4:49pm

You're right, Joan; the bible is irrelevant, ...

...except to people for whom it's everything. And they exist.

I'm in between.

I like to remind xians who pray in public that Matthew said to go into a closet, close the door, and then pray.

Some xians are the most judgmental people I know. I like to remind them to judge not, lest they be judged.

I think that's Matthew too. I'll check. If it is I'll start asking xians to tell me what else of Matthew's they reject.

Maybe I'll ask what else of the bible they reject.

There's more fun to be had.

I'm one of the veterans (here at the Vets Home) who don't pledge allegiance to a piece of cloth. Most of the vets I hang with know I don't, and I've told them, "When you start pledging allegiance to the Constitution, let's have a chat." They haven't come around yet.

I told one I know the reason. The flag means what he wants it to mean, so he has all the escape hatches he'll ever need. He paused, so he's thinking.

Like bible believers, flag pledgers can do anything they want. They're worse than we have have no morals; they have morals but don't use them.

Comment by Joan Denoo on June 28, 2013 at 1:55pm
Why Centralization Leads to Collapse: A system that suppresses dissent is fault-intolerant, ignorant and fragile.
June 28, 2013
A must read to understand current financial situations and why we need to pay attention. Propaganda yields one no freedom. If we are gullible, we will be caught by those who are greedy and unscrupulous.
Others to read are
Nassim Taleb (of Black Swan fame),
The Great Wave: Price Revolutions and the Rhythm of History

The Long Emergency: Surviving the End of Oil, Climate Change, and Other Converging Catastrophes of the Twenty-First Century

The Shock Doctrine: The Rise of Disaster Capitalism

Collapse: How Societies Choose to Fail or Succeed

Bailout Nation: How Greed and Easy Money Corrupted Wall Street and Shook the World Economy
Comment by Joan Denoo on June 28, 2013 at 12:51pm
The bible is not relevant to the modern world. Tens of thousands of years, generations of people did not have a bible. Modern men and women don’t read it, they don’t even know what it is in, you don’t need it,*

There is not one shred of evidence that has appeared from Jesus’ time. The earliest primary evidence is from P-52 manuscript, it measuring about 3.5 by 2.5 inches, with writing on both sides. “C H Roberts identified it as the oldest existing manuscript of any part of the New Testament. It contains John xviii.31-33, 37, 38 in a hand which can be confidently assigned to the first half of the second century.”* , There are no other primary sources until the third and fourth centuries century. The manuscripts from Roman authors are from the Medieval Period.

Fewer than half the people of USA can name the first book of the bible, (2005 Gallop Poll). Of those who claim to be Protestants 21.9% or Catholics 33.1% never read scripture, (2006 Baylor University survey).

Scholars need to focus on moving people to beyond the book instead of trying to keep it alive. The bible is irrelevant to modern humans!

* Hector Avalos: How Archaeology Killed Biblical History - Part 1 of 2,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BP5LdELd_0o&list=PLPblR4bWCoxnWn...

** Rylands Papyrus 457, http://www.katapi.org.uk/BibleMSS/P52.htm
Comment by Joan Denoo on June 27, 2013 at 10:07pm

Comment by Grinning Cat on June 27, 2013 at 12:01pm

You're right, Joan: "The bible is irrelevant!" to maintaining and governing a secular society, and we need to keep reminding people of that.

(Slightly related: a flyer directed towards onlookers of anti-gay bible-thumpers, the "repent and choose Jesus and repress yourselves for the rest of your lives" sort. There are plenty of theistic rebuttals; this is different.)

Comment by Joan Denoo on June 27, 2013 at 10:52am
First, defeat cancer and continue to educate people about environmental issues and climate change. The religious right needs to be held accountable for its fallacious beliefs, even as politics and religion need a strong wall built between them. Lots of interesting things to learn and do in the coming years. That "Kill Cancer Cells Cocktail" helps make it possible. Get politics off of women's bodies has to be #1 for me.
Comment by Joan Denoo on June 26, 2013 at 11:42am
The bible is irrelevant! “A variety of scholarly disciplines use methods and conclusions that are often philosophically flawed, (e.g., translation, textual criticism, archeological history, and biblical theology).”

“There is an infrastructure that supports biblical studies (e.g. universities, a media-publishing industry, and churches).”
~ Hector Avalos

“The regulations described in Leviticus 27 are obviously so little applicable to the modern situation that a preacher might be pardoned if he told himself that the passage contains no relevant message for his people whatsoever.”
~ John Bright, The Authority of the Old Testament, 1967. p. 152.

“Can biblical scholars persuade others that they conduct a legitimate academic disciplines? Until they do, can they convince anyone that they have something to offer to the intellectual life of the modern world?”
“What we need is not the end of biblical scholarship but more of its critical engagement with the public (mis)use of the Bible.”
~ Philip Davies, professor emeritus at the University of Sheffield in England,

Hector Avalos: How Archaeology Killed Biblical History - Part 1 of 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BP5LdELd_0o&list=PLPblR4bWCoxnWn...
 
 
 

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