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Politics, Economics, and Religion

Religion has so many connections to political and economic beliefs, there needs to be a place to identify linkages, problems, goals, options, action plans and evaluation criteria.  

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An eternal question, what is the purpose of life?, occupied philosophers’ thoughts throughout history. Stone pictographs reveal even primitive peoples reflected on this query. Each one has the capacity to define his or her personal thinking about politics, economics and religion.

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An Open Letter to Congressman John Boehner

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Joan Denoo Jul 18. 1 Reply

Some days ago, Congressman John Boehner (R - Ohio) wrote an op-ed piece entitled, "…Continue

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Tomgram: Engelhardt, The Age of Impunity

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Plinius Jul 14. 4 Replies

TomDispatch  http://t.co/nKYjnph4Ke"For America’s national security state, this is the age of impunity.  …Continue

Why we're headed for another Great Crash

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Joan Denoo Jul 2. 1 Reply

Thom Hartmann makes a case that we're driving the economy to another Great Crash.The denial of fundamental economic principles is setting the world up for another Great Crash.... corporate banks have ... discovered that instead of lending money to…Continue

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Climate Politics of US State Governors

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Casey Pittman Jul 3. 1 Reply

Is the governor of your state suckling at the fossil fuel industry teat, while climate disasters whack citizens? As a Pennsylvanian, I'm ashamed to say mine is.... over 77 percent of all oil and gas contributions are being funneled to governors who…Continue

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Comment by Tom Sarbeck on June 28, 2013 at 4:49pm

You're right, Joan; the bible is irrelevant, ...

...except to people for whom it's everything. And they exist.

I'm in between.

I like to remind xians who pray in public that Matthew said to go into a closet, close the door, and then pray.

Some xians are the most judgmental people I know. I like to remind them to judge not, lest they be judged.

I think that's Matthew too. I'll check. If it is I'll start asking xians to tell me what else of Matthew's they reject.

Maybe I'll ask what else of the bible they reject.

There's more fun to be had.

I'm one of the veterans (here at the Vets Home) who don't pledge allegiance to a piece of cloth. Most of the vets I hang with know I don't, and I've told them, "When you start pledging allegiance to the Constitution, let's have a chat." They haven't come around yet.

I told one I know the reason. The flag means what he wants it to mean, so he has all the escape hatches he'll ever need. He paused, so he's thinking.

Like bible believers, flag pledgers can do anything they want. They're worse than we have have no morals; they have morals but don't use them.

Comment by Joan Denoo on June 28, 2013 at 1:55pm
Why Centralization Leads to Collapse: A system that suppresses dissent is fault-intolerant, ignorant and fragile.
June 28, 2013
A must read to understand current financial situations and why we need to pay attention. Propaganda yields one no freedom. If we are gullible, we will be caught by those who are greedy and unscrupulous.
Others to read are
Nassim Taleb (of Black Swan fame),
The Great Wave: Price Revolutions and the Rhythm of History

The Long Emergency: Surviving the End of Oil, Climate Change, and Other Converging Catastrophes of the Twenty-First Century

The Shock Doctrine: The Rise of Disaster Capitalism

Collapse: How Societies Choose to Fail or Succeed

Bailout Nation: How Greed and Easy Money Corrupted Wall Street and Shook the World Economy
Comment by Joan Denoo on June 28, 2013 at 12:51pm
The bible is not relevant to the modern world. Tens of thousands of years, generations of people did not have a bible. Modern men and women don’t read it, they don’t even know what it is in, you don’t need it,*

There is not one shred of evidence that has appeared from Jesus’ time. The earliest primary evidence is from P-52 manuscript, it measuring about 3.5 by 2.5 inches, with writing on both sides. “C H Roberts identified it as the oldest existing manuscript of any part of the New Testament. It contains John xviii.31-33, 37, 38 in a hand which can be confidently assigned to the first half of the second century.”* , There are no other primary sources until the third and fourth centuries century. The manuscripts from Roman authors are from the Medieval Period.

Fewer than half the people of USA can name the first book of the bible, (2005 Gallop Poll). Of those who claim to be Protestants 21.9% or Catholics 33.1% never read scripture, (2006 Baylor University survey).

Scholars need to focus on moving people to beyond the book instead of trying to keep it alive. The bible is irrelevant to modern humans!

* Hector Avalos: How Archaeology Killed Biblical History - Part 1 of 2,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BP5LdELd_0o&list=PLPblR4bWCoxnWn...

** Rylands Papyrus 457, http://www.katapi.org.uk/BibleMSS/P52.htm
Comment by Joan Denoo on June 27, 2013 at 10:07pm

Comment by Grinning Cat on June 27, 2013 at 12:01pm

You're right, Joan: "The bible is irrelevant!" to maintaining and governing a secular society, and we need to keep reminding people of that.

(Slightly related: a flyer directed towards onlookers of anti-gay bible-thumpers, the "repent and choose Jesus and repress yourselves for the rest of your lives" sort. There are plenty of theistic rebuttals; this is different.)

Comment by Joan Denoo on June 27, 2013 at 10:52am
First, defeat cancer and continue to educate people about environmental issues and climate change. The religious right needs to be held accountable for its fallacious beliefs, even as politics and religion need a strong wall built between them. Lots of interesting things to learn and do in the coming years. That "Kill Cancer Cells Cocktail" helps make it possible. Get politics off of women's bodies has to be #1 for me.
Comment by Joan Denoo on June 26, 2013 at 11:42am
The bible is irrelevant! “A variety of scholarly disciplines use methods and conclusions that are often philosophically flawed, (e.g., translation, textual criticism, archeological history, and biblical theology).”

“There is an infrastructure that supports biblical studies (e.g. universities, a media-publishing industry, and churches).”
~ Hector Avalos

“The regulations described in Leviticus 27 are obviously so little applicable to the modern situation that a preacher might be pardoned if he told himself that the passage contains no relevant message for his people whatsoever.”
~ John Bright, The Authority of the Old Testament, 1967. p. 152.

“Can biblical scholars persuade others that they conduct a legitimate academic disciplines? Until they do, can they convince anyone that they have something to offer to the intellectual life of the modern world?”
“What we need is not the end of biblical scholarship but more of its critical engagement with the public (mis)use of the Bible.”
~ Philip Davies, professor emeritus at the University of Sheffield in England,

Hector Avalos: How Archaeology Killed Biblical History - Part 1 of 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BP5LdELd_0o&list=PLPblR4bWCoxnWn...
Comment by Joan Denoo on June 25, 2013 at 11:22am
"we now know that the nation's two top ratings companies, Moody's and S&P, have for many years been shameless tools for the banks, willing to give just about anything a high rating in exchange for cash."

Well, it is clear, government enabled unrestricted banks, rating agencies, home loans and other charlatans to take over the financial sector of our economy. Financial institutions take advantage of people who earn their livings by working for wages and small businesses.

No amount of political/economic theory can deny this is happening and will continue to happen until small businesses and wage-workers join in a coalition to defeat the rascals.

The Last Mystery of the Financial Crisis
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-last-mystery-of-the-f...
Comment by Joan Denoo on June 25, 2013 at 10:59am

Is the Bible a Moral Code for Today?-Debate at Iowa State

I ran across this debate recently at Iowa State University Campus 4.12.12 in which Dr. Hector Avalos, Professor of Religious Studies. at Iowa State University, Ames, IA and Keith Darrell of Whitefield Fellowship debate.

I don't know if it is a spoof or not. Darrell makes such outlandish statements that simply make no sense. Yet what he said is what I hear from many who take the literal view of the bible. It is the kind of craziness I hear from the small, but active religious sects that like to march our streets and screech over their radio programs. 

It is good to know our opposition. It would be silly if this were just a few wing-nuts, while the reality is these people believe what they say and want to have an influence in our schools and government. 

NO!

Comment by Ruth Anthony-Gardner on June 24, 2013 at 7:54pm

 
 
 

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