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Religion has so many connections to political and economic beliefs, there needs to be a place to identify linkages, problems, goals, options, action plans and evaluation criteria.  

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An eternal question, what is the purpose of life?, occupied philosophers’ thoughts throughout history. Stone pictographs reveal even primitive peoples reflected on this query. Each one has the capacity to define his or her personal thinking about politics, economics and religion.

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Churches Get Creepy Facial Recognition Software to Track Members

Started by Bertold Brautigan. Last reply by Alan Perlman on Wednesday. 7 Replies

Valerie Tarico put up an excellent article yesterday on marketing efforts by “entrepreneurial” churches, including use of client…Continue

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Christian privilege: A threat to our American values (Kristi Winters)

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by tom sarbeck Jun 3. 5 Replies

I came to learn about Kristi by way of my favorite YouTube dude, Steve Shives.  She may not be as prolific as Steve as it comes to video production, but when it comes to taking a topic and being utterly, scathingly on point, she shows many of the…Continue

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Republican Theocracy (AronRa)

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Loren Miller Jun 1. 5 Replies

At least some of us here on Atheist Nexus know who AronRa is.  We know that he's a great well of knowledge, who tends to dig deeply into a topic, who researches thoroughly, especially on matters which impact the relationship between the secular…Continue

Tags: church, state, dominionism, R J Rushdoony, Texas

An Atheist / Antitheist Manifesto, by Brian Dalton

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Loren Miller May 22. 8 Replies

The original title of the following video was: "The Way of the Mister: Atheist Fundamentalist," but having watched it twice, I can't escape the feeling that my moniker fits as well and perhaps a bit better.  In 20 minutes and change, Brian Dalton…Continue

Tags: fundamentalist, manifesto, antitheist, atheist, MrDeity

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Comment by tom sarbeck on March 29, 2013 at 6:00am

JOAN, NO!

Not being with the abuse; being with herself.

I'm amazed. Who gave her what it took to do what she did?

I was amazed like that about 20 years when my youngest brother, then about 50, told me what he'd done when he was about 15 and I was away finishing college. He told me our dad made noises like he was going to hit my brother. My brother told him, "You hit me and I'll hit you back!"

When I was 15 my dad was too strong for me to take on in a fist fight or any other kind of fight. I had to swallow my anger. It came out years later when I was doing politics in Arizona. My dad was still alive but too old and frail to give me any satisfaction. I now laugh when I say I took on Arizona's most powerful politicians. One of them gave me a compliment: he tried to get me fired from my job, and failed.

I didn't understand your "being" remark as being with the abuse. Did you mean it that way?

I understood it as being with one's self.

Comment by Joan Denoo on March 29, 2013 at 12:25am

Tom, about bullying. I understand what you mean by avoiding idealism and cynicism. Your example of an attorney stepping between a bully and another illustrates it well. He was able to end the confrontation with a simple, "I am his attorney!" That would stop a lot of such events taking place. It would be a good line if one could get away with it. In a way, that is what I talked about in this last piece. The attorney knew he had power because he knew law and human nature. That confidence makes others take note without violence. 

Let us take another scenario. A ten year old girl made a diorama for a school competition. It was cardboard box with one side cut away and an Indian village was created inside the box. Sand created hills, sticks were trees, a mirror was a lake. She won first place in her school competition and was to go to the county fair with her village. There were grasses in the box with seeds. Living in Texas, if she had brought the box into the house, those awful beetles would start hatching. After a conference it was decided the safest, best place was in the tool shed on top of the insecticides. Her father, a full colonel at that time, came home from work, saw the diorama in the shed, threw it to the driveway and stomped it to pieces. 
The little ten year old girl stood before him, her hands on her hips, her nose just level with his bronze belt buckle, and she said, "You don't have a right to treatment me this way."

This is what I mean by courage! This little girl, so tiny, so sure of herself that she wouldn't remain quiet or passive in the face of a bully. She was firm, confident, and determined. Can a child be trained to take command, especially when a child is being bullied by a parent, teacher, sibling or school mate? 

I like the thought of "just being"! However, life presents tough challenges of abuse of all kinds. Just being with abuse is not an answer. It fosters fear, depression, anxiety and rewards violence. 

Yes, I would like an ideal world where each individual gives and receives respect. Respect does not come as a gift; it has to be earned. To love unconditionally is an idea that bares bitter fruit in the presence of domination/submission. 

I very much respect your question and it deserves further thought. 

Comment by tom sarbeck on March 28, 2013 at 11:46pm

Avoid idealism and cynicism and just be.

Joan, you wrote something like a few posts ago. I liked it and it stuck in my mind.

I had earlier put realism between idealism and cynicism, and came to see that people who can just be have more power to change things than idealists, cynics, or people who claim to be realists.

Have you given any thought to what just being requires?

I have, and recalled an event. A retired attorney I met a few years ago, often had lunch with, and got to know had what it took to just be. I saw him dispose of a bullying incident by calmly stepping between bullies and their intended victim. No noisy demand; just "I'm his attorney."

Without the details, which would take a while to describe, the bullies (state employees) backed off and a written policy change resulted.

The calmness requires some self confidence (personal power) and a few more things.

What?

I'm working on it. What are your thoughts?

Comment by Joan Denoo on March 28, 2013 at 10:25pm

MARC FABER: Not Even Gold Will Save You From What Is Coming

Bubbles and bubbles and bubbles; bubbles always bust!

"When you print money, the money does not flow evenly into the economic system. It stays essentially in the financial service industry and among people that have access to these funds, mostly well-to-do people. It does not go to the worker. I just mentioned that it doesn't flow evenly into the system.

"Now from time to time it will lift the NASDAQ like between 1997 and March 2000. Then it lifted home prices in the U.S. until 2007. Then it lifted the commodity prices in 2008 until July 2008 when the global economy was already in recession. More recently it has lifted selected emerging economies, stock markets in Indonesia, Philippines, Thailand, up four times from 2009 lows and now the U.S.

"So we are creating bubbles and bubbles and bubbles. This bubble will come to an end. My concern is that we are going to have a systemic crisis where it is going to be very difficult to hide. Even in gold, it will be difficult to hide."

MARC FABER, Mar. 27, 2013 

Comment by Joan Denoo on March 28, 2013 at 10:11pm

You Have the Right to Remain Silent: The United Police States of Am...

"the top law enforcement official in the country, Attorney General Eric Holder, just told Congress that he had no intention of seeking criminal indictments against the nation’s top bankers, despite a wide-spread conviction that they are all guilty of the most massive fraud and theft in the history of the country, because he says such prosecutions could “destabilize” the nation’s financial system. So the banksters skate while Willie James Sauls rots in prison the rest of his life.

Welcome to the United Police States of America."

~ Dave Lindorff, March 28, 2013

Comment by Joan Denoo on March 28, 2013 at 10:05pm

Get Your Money Out of the Banks

Do you remember that outrageous plan in Cyprus last week to take funds out of all bank accounts, which meant take the savings of working class people so they would not disturb the bankrupt nation? Well, here is a cautionary tale that will have feet unless wage earners refuse to allow such thefts to happen. 

I am very sorry to say this is not an early April Fools joke. 

Option 1 sit and wait to see what happens. 

Option 2 check to see if your bank funds are secure with guarantees. 

Option 3 Make a lot of noise before IMF 

Option 4 I don't have any idea what is a wise decisions, talk to others. 

Comment by Joan Denoo on March 28, 2013 at 9:53pm

The Fun-filled Ocean Resort at Guantánamo Bay

" If you're looking for a fun activity-filled resort to take your family for a summer vacation, you simply cannot do better than Club GTMO, according to a new glossy travel guide just published by Robert Johnson, the Military and Defense Editor of Business Insider, under the guise of a news article. Scrumptious meals. Video games galore for the kids. Outdoor sports. Newspapers from your hometown delivered by smiling bellhops to the front door of your villa. Picturesque Caribbean vistas. All that and more can be yours - provided that you're "compliant". What more could vacationers - or prisoners kept in a cage for more than a decade with no charges thousands of miles away from their family - possibly want? They are, proclaims Johnson, treated "absurdly well". Not just well: absurdly well. They are, he actually writes, lavished with "resort treatment"."

Glenn Greenwald, March 28, 2013

Comment by Joan Denoo on March 28, 2013 at 9:40pm

The 12th Anniversary of American Cowardice What You Don’t Know Can ...

"It’s true that, last week, few in Congress cared to discuss, no less memorialize, the 10th anniversary of the invasion of Iraq.  Nonetheless, two anniversaries of American disasters and crimes abroad -- the “mission accomplished” debacle of 2003 and the 45th anniversary of the My Lai massacre -- were at least noted in passing in our world.  In my hometown paper, the New York Times, the Iraq anniversary was memorialized with a lead op-ed by a former advisor to General David Petraeus who, amid the rubble, went in search of all-American “silver linings.”

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~ Tom Engelhardt, March 28, 2013

Comment by Joan Denoo on March 28, 2013 at 9:27pm

"If my soldiers were to begin to  think, not one would remain in the ranks"

~ Frederick The  Great

Comment by Joan Denoo on March 28, 2013 at 7:57pm

Tom, one thing I have learned is that bullies were bullies because all society thought it was OK for men to bully women and children, and women to bully children, and children to bully other children. If enough people can stand and face the fear of bullying things change, or if people can find ways to evict bullies from their lives, things get better. It is a very lonely thing if bullying is tolerated and met with silence. One standing alone is dangerous. Joining with others and persuading others to reject the bully, change can occur. 

Bullying in families, schools and society can be brought down with awareness and then courage to confront it. 

 
 
 

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