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Politics, Economics, and Religion

Religion has so many connections to political and economic beliefs, there needs to be a place to identify linkages, problems, goals, options, action plans and evaluation criteria.  

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What is the purpose of life?

An eternal question, what is the purpose of life?, occupied philosophers’ thoughts throughout history. Stone pictographs reveal even primitive peoples reflected on this query. Each one has the capacity to define his or her personal thinking about politics, economics and religion.

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As the 1% sucks up ever more wealth, the US infrastructure is ready to implode. To cut taxes on the ultra wealthy, we've rotted the physical and cultural supports upon which our society depends.…Continue

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MAN meaning Human, I assume

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Comment by Joan Denoo on November 21, 2013 at 9:29am

"Joan, before you go on the warpath, check out Peter Boghossian's A Manual for Creating Atheists and its reviews."

Tom, you sent several alarms to me in the past. I wonder why you caution me? You know I have a deep passion for freedom from religion, and I think religion puts an end to efficient problems solving and effective action. Religion gives people crutches and stops the kinds of thinking that needs to happen in order to find underlying causes of distress. 

I have read Peter Boghossian, and you are correct in that he has a manual for how to change the minds of believers. I am not interested in creating atheists, my desired audiences are those who live in constant pain caused by their beliefs. I want them to see what is hurting them and why. I want to offer an alternative they may not realize exists. 

I could really care less if Christians convert to atheism. That is none of my business. It is the battered children, women, and men who concern me. 

After my cancer treatments, were completed, i.e., surgery, chemo and radiation, I told the medical professionals why cancer has been such a blessing to me. The strengthening of each of my three children as they confronted my mortality, spending more time with my children, grandchildren and great-grandchildren, being thankful every morning when I wake up and discover I am still alive. These offer opportunities for joy like nothing else can. I also tell them of my journey from battered child, wife, mother of battered children and the things I learned through those challenges. Now, this challenge of cancer, puts frosting on my cake.  

I thank you, Tom, for your care and concern. We need people such as yourself who are interested in converting religious to non-believers. We need you desperately. 

I am moving this string to Discussion, because I want to read what others think about this topic. I welcome any and all ideas. 

Comment by Peter Martin Page on November 21, 2013 at 7:26am

One problem is Atheists don't know who in their political parties are Atheists since admitting being an Atheist can be political suicide. This is changing. 

In Quebec, Pauline Marois, leader of the PQ, which is in power with a minority government, is an Atheist. Quebec is the most progressive province but Pauline is strongly opposed by a few devoutly religious people and a lot of politically correct people who take tolerance so far past reasonable limits that they feel society should tolerate traditional breaches of religious, government separation.

In Ontario, I am convinced the leader, Paul McKeever, of the Freedom Party is an Atheist. I haven't seen him state he is, but the stances he takes on policy platforms convince me he must be. I see an increasing number of Darwin bumper stickers in Toronto. An increasing number of Atheists are coming out of the closet. Thirty years ago, admitting you were an Atheist would bring you a lot of grief. I know, I was never shy about being an Atheist and suffered the consequences. This is slowly changing.

To find a party that supports Atheism is difficult. I believe many more people would vote for the Freedom Party of Ontario if Paul McKeever would publicly state he is an Atheist. If he did so, he might alienate the present religious majority. With a first past the post system of voting a party can win a majority with approximately 39% of the popular vote. In Quebec the proportion of Atheists is close. In Ontario we have a way to go yet. 

What is the situation in the States? Even though the greatest pamphleteer of the revolution, Thomas Paine, was an Atheist, the States seems to ironically support some of the seemingly most un-American candidates. Mitt Romney seems to be the polar opposite of Paine. How does Romney represent American values such as separation of church and state or equality? American politics has a lot of Canadians scratching their heads. You are supposed to be the great democracy to our South. Are there any American politicians who claim to be "Free Thinkers" as Thomas Paine did?

Comment by Joan Denoo on November 20, 2013 at 11:23pm

Caves, Creationism and the Divine Wonder of Deep Time

"I do not mean to diminish the lives of people who believe in such pseudo-science. One of the most hardworking and courageous persons I can think of was a man blinded by a mine in Vietnam. Once we were discussing what he would most like to see were his sight restored and he said without hesitation “The Creation Museum!”. I think this man’s religious faith was a well spring for his motivation and courage, and this, I believe is what religions are for- to provide strength for us to deal with the trials and tribulations of human life. Yet, I cannot help but think that the effort to black- hole- like suck in and crush our ideas of creation so that it fits within the scope of our personal lives isn’t just an assault on scientific truth but a suffocation of our idea of the divine itself."

Rick Searle , Nov 16, 2013

From my perspective, it makes god, any god, too small. The universe is so much larger than any imagined superpower who hears and answers prayers. The blinded soldier surely said his prayers and his eyesight was not restored. Some would say he was to fault because he didn't pray hard enough, or did something to deserve his fate.

Nonsense! that is pure rubbish. That kind of thinking makes one stop thinking of the real causes of war. Why was he on a battle field in the first place. Surely not to "protect" USA! Absolutely not to keep us safe!  These lies, fueled by propaganda, hides the real motive for going to some poor tropical country and blowing them from the Bronze Age into the Stone Age. 

Comment by Tom Sarbeck on November 20, 2013 at 1:04am

Joan, before you go on the warpath, check out Peter Boghossian's A Manual for Creating Atheists and its reviews.

Comment by Joan Denoo on November 19, 2013 at 5:40pm

OK, all gloves off! I am embarked on an adventure of great importance to me and I hope to others. The non-believing groups, and there are many,  each with a different and important messages, provide a lifesaver way of thinking that empowers and enriches people's lives. We are not the devil, and we need to realize that, not just wish and dream and silently hide in closets hoping no one will see us. We live out in the fresh air and sunlight, enjoying being alive and joining with others in celebration of freedom and shared responsibility to create a better, safer, more stable and secure Earth. 

We stand with pride, self-respect, courage and determination to be who we are and get on with life. 

Join us if you want, peek in if you are afraid, or turn your back on our experiences and maintain and perpetuate the status quo. 

Just look at the evidence: USA, a war-mongering nation wanting to make the whole Earth a slave, including all humans, all flora and fauna, and all minerals and other elements.  

According to Ask, "Approximately, 34 major wars and conflicts are being fought today, causing a number of deaths, leaving many homeless and causing people to escape from their countries and seek refuge in other countries. These conflicts include: the Afghan civil war, Somali civil war, Iraq war, war in North West Pakistan, Arab-Israeli conflict, conflict in the Niger Delta, Côte d'Ivoire crisis, etc."

We exist as a community of many varied histories, we doubt and question, experiment and explore, fail and pick ourselves up again to try new ways of thinking. The old ways get us unto the most awful, terrible troubles.  

Comment by Joan Denoo on November 18, 2013 at 3:55pm

Hate is hate, even if wrapped in religious rhetoric.

Nurse Emily Lyons, Victim of a 1998 Abortion Clinic Bombing, Speaks...


Silence in the face of bigotry, implies agreement 

Comment by Joan Denoo on October 22, 2013 at 7:57pm

Tea Party Logic

With the courage to shut down the government ...

Comment by Joan Denoo on October 17, 2013 at 12:41pm

Loren, I very much like your addition of Consequentialism. That is an important part of problem solving: look at the consequences of the action before making a decision about its value. 

Comment by Grinning Cat on October 17, 2013 at 10:06am

Thanks, Joan and Loren!

Last month Kacie Tsao told us about the Flash game "Socrates Jones: Pro Philosopher", where you, playing an accountant, have to try to rescue yourself and your daughter by rebutting many flawed arguments about the sources of morality.

Comment by Loren Miller on October 17, 2013 at 8:21am

And one more, Joan: Consequentialism.

 
 
 

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