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Justice For All

Atheists have our own ideas about what is just and what is unjust.  This group will explore the elusive concept of justice.  Topics include racial injustice, death penalty, imprisonment, crime, and other aspects of justice in modern society and in history.  Without gods, what is the basis for justice?  What do humanists and others say about justice?  What do you think about current controversies and cases regarding justice or injustice?

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Troy Davis's photo was chosen as this original icon for this group.  Davis symbolized inequality of justice in the US.  At the time of his execution, 9/21/11, the evidence supporting his conviction was flimsy.  There was known evidence supporting his innocence.  He was executed anyway. Since then the icon is changed to represent justice in general.

 

There are different nontheist points of view about justice, punishment, penalties, death penalty.   There is strong support for retribution and execution in the theist community (in the US).

 

What serves as "justice" is not distributed evenly across communities.  The most egregious injustice has strong racial overtones.  If you would like to read about, and discuss justice, what it is, who gets justice, and who doesn't, and stories relevant to this topic, please join and contribute to the discussions.

 

Resources

www.deathpenalty.org  factsheet.

www.deathpenalty.org  main page

deathpenaltyinfo.org  executed possibly innocent

amnestyUSA death penalty information

death row population (CNN)  sept 2011.

innocence project.  The innocent and the death penalty.

innocence project Wikipedia discussion

California innocence project

Chicago innocence project

Georgia innocence project

ThinkProgress/Justice

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Debtors Prison in the US

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Coal Ash contaminated water jail coverup

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"White Guilt" by Shelby Steele

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Wealth Redistribution during Climate Crisis

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Comment by Ruth Anthony-Gardner on April 14, 2014 at 6:43pm

Comment by Sentient Biped on January 28, 2014 at 8:32pm
Don I will look forward to it. I always learn from you.
This is an area where I think I am out of touch with most Americans. So strange to ne we kill people because killing people is wrong.
I also wonder - with doctor assisted suicide thought to give a painless and quick way out, if we are going to have state mandated killing, why is it so hard to make that quick and painless? Ditto, we euthanize our beloved pets. I hope that is gentle and loving.
Will see what you have to say, and respect your opinion regardless of whether we agree.
Comment by Donald R Barbera on January 28, 2014 at 6:25pm

Sentient--I'm going to post a section from one of my books regarding the death penalty and its efficacy.

Don

Comment by Sentient Biped on January 28, 2014 at 6:12pm

With shortages of chemical for lethal injection, some states are moving to bring back firing squad, gas chamber, and / or electric chair.

Holy Jesus W. Christ. What are we coming to?

What next, guillotine? Might be faster and less painful than the "traditional" methods, but kind of gross. Hangings? I hope not.

My bias is just stop killing people. Making the method more grizzly is not going to deter crime. There is no evidence anywhere that death penalty results in a just and humane society, or reduces criminal activity. And as for the innocent who are executed.... lets make it even worse torture? Really?

Well, I guess that reveals my thoughts. :-)

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2014/01/28/3217911/legislators-urg...

Comment by Sentient Biped on November 20, 2013 at 6:18pm

Missouri executed Joseph Paul Franklin today.

Franklin was a serial killer and a white supremacist who liked murdering Jews and interracial couples.  He was convicted of 7 murders and claimed to have murdered 20.

His last killings were in 1980.  Two young black men.

Franklin was the shooter responsible for shooting Hustler publisher Larry Flint, resulting in permanent paralysis.

Franklin was considered mentally ill, a paranoid schizophrenic.

This was the first single-drug execution, using pentoparbital.

Larry Flint was against Franklin's execution.

People like Franklin make it hard to argue against the death penalty.  But the death sentence could net be considered a deterrent in this case.  Is it a punishment for the crimes?  Or just a removal of this person from society, like pulling weeds?

Comment by Sentient Biped on November 20, 2013 at 4:49pm

A little more perspective, same theme.

Comment by Sentient Biped on November 20, 2013 at 4:38pm

A little perspective. 

 

Comment by Joan Denoo on November 18, 2013 at 3:47pm

I very much like your new icon. It represents what I hope to see in our nation. Also, excellent news about Thaddeus Jimenez "TJ". 

Justice Delayed is Justice Denied

Comment by Sentient Biped on November 17, 2013 at 7:13am

Group icon changed.  I always feel depressed looking at Troy Davis' photo.  The new icon is public domain and represents the general ideal of justice.  Even if that ideal is not always achieved..

Comment by Ruth Anthony-Gardner on September 30, 2012 at 5:40pm

 

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