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Justice For All

Atheists have our own ideas about what is just and what is unjust.  This group will explore the elusive concept of justice.  Topics include racial injustice, death penalty, imprisonment, crime, and other aspects of justice in modern society and in history.  Without gods, what is the basis for justice?  What do humanists and others say about justice?  What do you think about current controversies and cases regarding justice or injustice?

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Latest Activity: Mar 11


Troy Davis's photo was chosen as this original icon for this group.  Davis symbolized inequality of justice in the US.  At the time of his execution, 9/21/11, the evidence supporting his conviction was flimsy.  There was known evidence supporting his innocence.  He was executed anyway. Since then the icon is changed to represent justice in general.


There are different nontheist points of view about justice, punishment, penalties, death penalty.   There is strong support for retribution and execution in the theist community (in the US).


What serves as "justice" is not distributed evenly across communities.  The most egregious injustice has strong racial overtones.  If you would like to read about, and discuss justice, what it is, who gets justice, and who doesn't, and stories relevant to this topic, please join and contribute to the discussions.


Resources  factsheet.  main page  executed possibly innocent

amnestyUSA death penalty information

death row population (CNN)  sept 2011.

innocence project.  The innocent and the death penalty.

innocence project Wikipedia discussion

California innocence project

Chicago innocence project

Georgia innocence project


Discussion Forum

On Burying the Torture Report

Started by Bertold Brautigan. Last reply by Daniel W Dec 9, 2014. 3 Replies

Black Panic

Started by Daniel W. Last reply by k.h. ky Sep 4, 2014. 7 Replies

Environmental Activist Hit Lists

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Grinning Cat Jun 30, 2014. 2 Replies

Harsher sentences increase crime

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Luara Jun 27, 2014. 4 Replies

Debtors Prison in the US

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Ruth Anthony-Gardner Jun 12, 2014. 4 Replies

Coal Ash contaminated water jail coverup

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner May 26, 2014. 0 Replies

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Comment by Daniel W on August 30, 2014 at 5:15pm

I dont want to look obsessed with this topic - justice is important in many ways, and injustices happen all of the time.  But this really gets to me.  It pisses me off, and makes me feel ashamed, and embarrassed, even though I have nothing to do with it.


Man arrested for sitting on sitting bench while black.  This is an older event, from earlier this year, in Minnesota. 



As the article states, "In Minnesota, pedestrians aren't required to identify themselves to police unless a law enforcement officer has an articulable, reasonable suspicion of illegal activity." Listening to the audio, and noting that he was ultimately released - after going through this ordeal - that sounds correct.
Comment by Donald R Barbera on August 22, 2014 at 9:37am

Flying Atheist--It is because "Turks" is an actual news organization. Most people don't realize that network news is classified as entertainment and tht's exactly what it is. 

Comment by Donald R Barbera on August 22, 2014 at 9:25am

I wasn't going to comment, but this is one of those things that really pisses me off. Am I surprised? No. From the California law enforcement officials. Especially no. They choose anyone that is not white as their targets I once said, but I have white and Asian friends who have had a taste of violence at the hands of the California law enforcement agents. It seems that jackbooted thugs are willingly accepted as hiring material. Too bad. There are thousands of CA law officers that are just plain old protectors and servers, but they are tainted by the smell of racism, homophobia and fascism from a relatively few idiots. Of course, LA is known for its mistreatment of just about anyone. They should be investigated--again. 

Comment by Daniel W on August 20, 2014 at 9:42pm
It plays into the right wing mentality: us/them, "you are not us", narcissism. zenophobia, entitlement, judgement, racism. I think of this as one of humanism's great challenges. and it just plain pisses me off.
Comment by The Flying Atheist on August 20, 2014 at 7:53pm

How come The Young Turks and the few others like them in the media seem to make so much sense when discussing these issues, but the right wing just doesn't understand common sense and logic?  It defies explanation......

Comment by Daniel W on August 20, 2014 at 7:28pm

video regarding story posted below.

Comment by Daniel W on August 20, 2014 at 7:25pm

California Highway officer to be charged with beating woman on highway.

This thuggery has to stop.  Police brutality undermines credibility and makes the good police officers unsafe too.

Comment by Daniel W on August 16, 2014 at 8:15am
Joan, wth time people tend to sort themselves out. The really aggressive ones learn who they can bully, and who they cant, and either go away or get barred. Demographics helps. When I was one of the only males in my building, the managers preferentially sent more violent or scary people to me. Now the demographics are more balanced and that happens a lot less. Plus Now I work with more older and sicker people who can see I care about them.

You are right about the need for optimism. We should be happy, and we should spread happiness. I tend to be very serious. and even now I have my passions. one is for justice. I repeat Ingersoll's happiness quote almost daily.
Comment by Joan Denoo on August 16, 2014 at 3:09am

Daniel and Carl, you each write with wisdom and compassion. We live in very troubled times. Daniel, you working with such hostile people when your intention is to serve, treat and heal their ailments gives you reason to feel hopeless. and Carl, you are not in the safest of working conditions either. Yet, I imagine you both as carrying on with good humor and skill sets that prepare you for unexpected events. 

If we succumb to pessimism, the pessimists win. I'd like to give them a good run for their money, not let them get me down, find positive ways to flourish and empower others to flourish. That may be a Pollyanna way of looking at reality, but when the day is done, it is a lot better to get up in the morning, do what needs to be done and go to bed at night knowing we gave it our best shot.  

And, those fool gun slingers have a high probability of shooting themselves in the foot. Grateful for the image, Carl. 

Comment by The Flying Atheist on August 15, 2014 at 11:59pm

I sure would love to see Texas secede from the United States.  However, I'd be very worried about Texans illegally crossing the border and coming into our country.  We would need a patrolled border and fence.


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