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as secular women we have our own interests, history, and issues. this groups intends to be a safe place to explore these things. all are welcome regardless of gender.

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Comment by Diana on August 9, 2010 at 8:35pm
But hey, look at this! Could Rachel Maddow or anyone like her have been in her position even a decade ago? That's progress.
Comment by Diana on August 9, 2010 at 8:34pm
Well, it's easy to get discouraged by what seems to be a lack of progress. And maybe progress is in a way an illusion. We are always only human beings, and we all have plenty of evidence of how truly dumb we can be. But we do evolve, and we can change. I'm just getting overwhelmed by the daily evidence of how much bat-shit crazy stupid people are all around. They WANT to go backward, calling it onward and upward. Rachel Maddow's show tonight is calling my attention to a lot of that going on. Aarrggghh!
Comment by Sushi Q on August 9, 2010 at 5:09pm
Young, I dunno...I'm 46. And I feel acutely shortchanged by our society's abandonment of the feminist ideals I heard about when I was very young (even if I myself act with as much freedom as I can take). I realize that to be at all surprised by backsliding is a fault in my progressive outlook. At the time, of course, I had no idea how deeply the hate and fear of females is entrenched in just about every society, and how insidious its perpetuation. It is yet another case of "follow the money," in essence.

That's awesome that you could teach and raise some aware thinkers.
Comment by Diana on August 9, 2010 at 4:25pm
You're right, women who want change must cover many fronts at once. I have been a teacher for many years, and I was thorough, but subtle, in my teaching of change and thinking beyond what they walked in with. I had to be careful, for myself, but anyway, early high school kids respond better to a nudge than a command. My grown children are feminist and atheist, and granddaughters are headed there, too.

I'm really enjoying my current role of outspoken old lady atheist, because nobody can affect my life anymore. Finally, finally, I can say and do whatever I want.

But you younger ones, you still have much to struggle for.
Comment by Sushi Q on August 9, 2010 at 2:57pm
Diana, I completely agree. It really bothers me how much all this is perpetuated every generation, often unthinkingly, sometimes resignedly.

Female atheists have more than one front we are fighting on, and I'm just saying that it can be one reason we see fewer willing to put it out there. We are already embattled just by virtue of being women.

I do what I can in my own life, and wish more women were willing to take the risks that we are, both against patriarchy and its religious underpinnings.
Comment by Diana on August 9, 2010 at 2:23pm
It's a good idea to remember that the patriarchal system is comprised of us, our sons, daughters, husbands/sig. others, friends, co-workers, bosses, neighbors, and so on. Politics is local, first. We each must risk what we can to spread a different way. That's the only way deep change ever comes about.
Comment by Sushi Q on August 9, 2010 at 12:30pm
It's a sympton of the whole patriarchal system that wants to control us and teaches us from Day 1 to internalize a second class status.

Men don't want to give up their (unearned) privilege, and atheist men are no exception. So they will marginalize us no matter where we are found or what we believe or don't. Religion institutionalizes our oppression, absolutely - but until we are respected as fully human OUTSIDE of religion as well, it doesn't necessarily look any better to be a woman outside of that frying pan.
Comment by Cobbie Tigerpaw on August 9, 2010 at 11:35am
For some reason there seems to be not as many women atheists out there. I went to a live taping of the Skeptics Guide to the Universe and I was one of only a handful of women. It puzzles me because so many religions are so oppressive and negative towards women and I don't know why women would buy into all that crap.
Comment by Diana on August 8, 2010 at 8:40am
Coming out is my goal now. But seriously, people can lose jobs over this, so I understand when some hide. I'm so glad that this year I don't have to start off the school year standing with hundreds of people in an auditorium, while everybody holds hands, closes their eyes, and prays with the superintendent and a local xian minister. Yes, I know I could bring a lawsuit, but I'm outta there now.
Comment by Kerry Logan on August 7, 2010 at 9:49pm
Bingo! @Diana. You hit the nail right on the head!
 

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