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Comment by mike larson on May 31, 2011 at 12:05am
Ok, new line of thought.
When faced with the "I just know/feel" the "spirit/lord" I feel its the wishful thinking defense. Our subconscious is powerful and makes many decisions for us processing our senses faster than the conscious mind. As free thinkers we know this and can trust this. But religious indoctrination likes to call the same respones from the subconscious as being from god/spirit.
thoughts anyone?
Comment by mike larson on May 30, 2011 at 11:43pm
Mike K: true, but chalk that up to instincts not morality. Safe to say some animals have a moral, compassionate nature not taught. So morality can still be natural and outside religious instruction.
Comment by mike larson on May 30, 2011 at 10:55pm
Antonio: Well its not unheard of, in the 1800's a pair of brother lions went on a killing spree of railway construction workers and hunters. But that was vengeance not pleasure. Not that I want to help the other side its just best to cover all the angles.
Comment by Antonio Chambers on May 30, 2011 at 10:48pm
Animals exhibit "moral" values and attitudes all the time. One example is the fact that NO animal (that I know of) kills for the sake of killing. Furthermore, animals that kill for food as their needs be. They kill only what is needed for themselves and the herd.
Comment by mike larson on May 30, 2011 at 10:28pm
Joseph, Antanio: I really like the animal perspective on demonstrating morality exclusive of human sourced morality. That must be a real stopper to those giving religions the credit for good, moral, empathitic life.
Comment by Joseph P on May 30, 2011 at 10:13pm
Possible Antonio, yeah.  Dolphins and one or two other species are about as bright as we are.
Comment by mike larson on May 30, 2011 at 10:12pm
Mike K: I underestimated the level of self righteousness. That would make me speechless to hear that! But I'm in Canada and haven't faced that one.
Comment by Joseph P on May 30, 2011 at 10:08pm
Ohhhhhhh, Christ.  Yeah, I know William Lane Craig, but I've never ready any of his books.  I've only ever heard various atheists refer to him.  I'll have to pull up a debate of his sometime.
Comment by Antonio Chambers on May 30, 2011 at 10:06pm
yes Joseph and besides, humans are the most immoral of all species.lol. In my opinion. I guess animals have some religion they use to justify their morality XD
Comment by Joseph P on May 30, 2011 at 10:04pm
Yup, Antonio.  Behavioral biologists have done huge amounts of research into the subject.  Any social species has innate concepts of empathy, fairness, and basic morality.  It's built into the genes.  We're not special.
 

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