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Comment by Howard S. Dunn on January 19, 2010 at 12:31pm
Oh - and to those who say: "There are no atheists in foxholes!" (besides this being pure bullshit) I reply: "A drowning man fights to keep his head above water like there is no god to save him."
Comment by Howard S. Dunn on January 19, 2010 at 12:11pm
Actually - and this is admittedly a bit abstract - I was thinking the other day how our ability to reason can sometimes overcome our survival instinct in a way that can actually save us.

I was next to a dump truck on the turnpike traveling at high speed when, suddenly, and for no clear reason, the car in front of the car in front of the dump truck slammed on its brakes (maybe because they saw a unicorn?)

Well, there was a semi in the right lane, so the dump truck driver couldn't go that way even if he wanted to - leaving him with the 'choice' of taking out the two cars in front of him or me next to him.

I'm pretty sure that my instinct, if I had zero time to think, would have been to hit the brakes as the dump truck began braking and encroaching into my lane. Had I done that, however, I would be dead, dead, dead - no question - crushed into the median or pushed over it into oncoming traffic.

But I had an very small window for my cerebral cortex to kick in. I hit the accelerator hard! The dump truck missed my back bumper by inches and I could see the driver frantically 'rooting' for me as he slowed and I accelerated away from danger.

Fear does not always offer the best way to avoid disaster. It can result in panic. My dad used to always tell me that the fastest way to drown is to panic.

BTW - prayer would have been more useless than fear.
Comment by Andrew on January 15, 2010 at 11:35am
Nvm folks, while these guys are skilled apologists, the actual debate has since degraded into utter depravity. Once their evidence is shown to be bad, they turned to usual apologetic fallacies; attacking a form of atheism that isn't in play, and ad hominums, etc. I don't think anyone yet has addressed any of the points made. This debate has left a bad taste in my mouth.
Comment by James Turkia on January 14, 2010 at 2:25pm
Excellent post Andrew! I'll have to do some heavy studying of that conversation later. (I have to go to work.) It looks like a debate well spoken (written) and polite. Something I think the atheist community needs. We seem a little overrepresented by the angry, no bullshit atheists right now. Although we need them too.
Comment by Andrew on January 14, 2010 at 2:17pm
This might be a better link.

I'd skip to the end to get past all the other side's loooooong and useless argumentation. I'm just tooting my own horn, but I think there's some useful stuff in there that would contribute to the dialog here.
Comment by Andrew on January 14, 2010 at 2:11pm
Comment by Chris G on January 14, 2010 at 1:28pm
I usually don't waste my time arguing with theologists, but I'll check out what people have to say.
Comment by Howard S. Dunn on January 13, 2010 at 2:07pm
My Grandfather used to say he was not stubborn, just tenacious. No way to change his mind ...

He also used to say - "10,000 Swedes hid in the weeds - chased by one Norwegian." (ah, what a kidder. He married a Swede after all ...)
Comment by Howard S. Dunn on January 12, 2010 at 11:58pm
Yeah Fred - language barrier aside - I am intrigued by your research and approach. I am curious though - my Grandmother was Swedish and Grandfather was Norwegian - they were both stubborn - but you are sometimes as 'passionate' as my father's southern European side. What's up with that? :^)
Comment by James Turkia on January 11, 2010 at 10:39pm
Great sources posted in this group. Good job.
 

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