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Vegetarian/Vegan Atheists

This group is here to provide a sense of community for nontheist vegetarians and vegans.

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Pet foods as vegan/vegetarian?

Started by Lindzee. Last reply by Lindzee Mar 2. 4 Replies

omega-3 in vegan diets

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Raw diets

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Feelings of plants

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New here, looking for tofu recipies

Started by diane sholly. Last reply by Humble Pie Jan 9, 2013. 3 Replies

Abortion

Started by Chris Z. Last reply by VeganAquarianAtheist Dec 31, 2012. 16 Replies

New here, glad to find this group!

Started by Justin Lee. Last reply by Sentient Biped Aug 8, 2012. 2 Replies

Shopping Vegan in West London

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Comment by Pamela on June 1, 2012 at 2:44pm

Chris, A vegan would not eat a fetus because it is still and animal product (the same reason we don't eat unfertilized chicken eggs even though they are never going to be chickens).  But I see no reason why a lacto-ovo vegetarian couldn't eat it (beyond being grossed out due to cultural ideas about food).  It would be no different, technically, than eating eggs or dairy products.

I take exception to your use of the term "pro-abortion".  No one is PRO abortion.  No one is trying to encourage people to get more abortions or standing outside abortion clinics cheering women on!  We are pro CHOICE.  We accept that it is a choice each woman makes for herself and even if we disagree with that choice we refrain from taking it away from her.

The main reason I am vegan (beyond health) is that I do not want to cause suffering to any living thing.  I don't use dairy products because I don't think it is OK to enslave cows, forcibly impregnate them, kidnap their children and steal their milk.  I have similar reasons for not using other animal products.  Most fetuses are aborted during the first trimester.  They have no brain and no central nervous system.  They cannot feel, they cannot suffer, so I have no moral obligation toward them.  

Comment by Chris Z on June 1, 2012 at 2:13pm

Full disclosure.  I'm a lacto-ovo-vegetarian atheist who is also anti-abortion (save immanent death and irreversible, unbearable-pain due to disability).

Awhile back, I wrote on this page as to how I couldn't really grasp how a vegetarian could be pro-abortion (outside of the cases I've given above).  Instantly, there were some people after me over my comments.

Well, I picked back up the topic again with an anti-abortion omnivore friend of mine.

If I remember correctly, some pro-abortion vegetarian/vegans didn't agree that human life began at conception.

My new question:  Would a pro-abortion vegetarian/vegan technically be able to eat one of these fetuses (perhaps before it gained a central nervous system or whatever) because it's "not a human"?

Or would the pro-abortion vegetarian/vegan (who doesn't think of "it" as a human), not be able to eat it?  What are your grounds assuming you won't give a cop-out such as for reasons of taste or logistics?

Thank you for thinking about this in advance.  Just curious.

Comment by annet on April 22, 2012 at 12:09am

will do Dogly. 

Comment by Dogly on April 21, 2012 at 2:17pm

annet, would you please share this illustration on the

Atheism and vegetarnianism

discussion?  

Comment by annet on April 21, 2012 at 11:55am

This reminded me of you guys. 

Comment by Sentient Biped on December 11, 2011 at 1:35pm

I'm going to lobby for Manchurian dumplings.  It helps to be living with a Manchurian person.  Maybe a glass of wine with that.  

On the other hand, if my favorite dumpling chef is not in the mood for them, I'll have to come up with something.  Plan B at the moment is potato pancakes.  

I'm jonesing for a mince pie.  Not mince-meat.  Mince pie is chopped golden and black raisins, chopped whole lemon, chopped whole orange; all chopped together, then diced apples, cooked down in apple juice and brown sugar, and some spices (as I recall, nutmeg, cinnamon, and cloves or allspice).  The orange and lemon peels add a marmalade-like dimension.  Maybe that too.  It takes several hours to make, so the holiday would be a good time for it.

Comment by K on December 10, 2011 at 11:43pm

Our Solstice tradition is broccoli, potato and cauliflower soup,cream based (almond milk), with cheddar on the side for those who want it. Homemade bread, and a family recipe for sweet potato pudding.  (this is not the stuff with the marshmallows, BTW!)

Dessert is usually monkey bread and hot chocolate.

Comment by Sentient Biped on December 10, 2011 at 12:55pm

Another holiday coming up!  For people who celebrate with food, what are you making?

Comment by K on November 20, 2011 at 8:45pm

This chick makes a vegan custard that uses fine cornmeal (polenta style) and arrowroot powder (among other ingredients) to make a custard.  Don'rt know if this will work for you, but it might spark some ideas.

http://jeenaskitchen.blogspot.com/2008/09/vegan-confectioners-custa...

Comment by Sentient Biped on November 20, 2011 at 8:31pm

The sweet potato pie came out AWESOME!  Now if I could veganize it.... ? I just followed the recipe on the sweet potato puree, basically the sweet potato puree (duh), condensed milk, 2 eggs, some sugar, nutmeg, vanilla.  I suppose I could substitute soft tofu for the condensed milk, but instead of eggs?  They give it the custard firmness.  Agar?  I don't know.

 

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