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SWiFT

Southeast Wisconsin FreeThinkers

SWiFT is a democratic organization uniting freethinkers across Southeast Wisconsin to encourage rationalism, freethought and Humanistic values.

Website: http://www.swiftnow.org
Location: Southeast Wisconsin
Members: 37
Latest Activity: 12 hours ago

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Discussion Forum

SWiFT members, do you think Jesus was a historical person?

Started by Mark Michicich. Last reply by kenyatta yamel 19 hours ago. 18 Replies

I'm not sure this question is of broad interest to SWiFT members, but as an ex-Catholic, I can't help wondering and would love to know what others think.I raise the question of Jesus' historical…Continue

Adopt-a-Highway

Started by Kristen Himsl Hunter. Last reply by Kurt Bocksenbaum Jun 5, 2012. 3 Replies

Hello, At the last SWIFT monthly meetup we discussed putting together an Adopt-a-Highway program. We are going to organize a pick-up 3 times a year (between April and November) and I know a lot of…Continue

Why are tax breaks given to the religious? Seriously, I'm really asking...

Started by Mark Michicich. Last reply by Mark Michicich Dec 8, 2011. 4 Replies

I have a basic understanding of the separation of church and state, and I am a huge advocate.  It's why I joined ffrf.  I think people should be free to be religious or not.  I get why church/state…Continue

Reconciling Science and Religion

Started by mojo5501. Last reply by mojo5501 Oct 26, 2011. 25 Replies

I wanted to discuss the anti-rational aspects of Christianity.  Why haven't fundamentalists and creationists gone away in modern society?  I am always amazed and discouraged by the amount of people…Continue

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Comment by ParrotPirate on January 16, 2012 at 10:14am

I'll try to remember my camera, but because my job doesn't involve an actual set route, I'm not sure if I'll end up in that particular area any time soon. I might have a lead on a facebook friend who is closer. Maybe I can get him to do the leg-work. He's actually the one who mentioned Atheist Nexus as somewhere to post on this. I did post a similar message to the FFRF group here, also. Thanks for the input and the welcome!

Comment by Kurt Bocksenbaum on January 16, 2012 at 10:02am

Welcome to the group ParrotPirate.  SWiFT is the atheist organization in SE Wisconsin.  I don't know off-hand if any of our members live or work in the area.  Do you have the address of the church?  Would it be possible to get a photograph the next time you go by it?

Unfortunately there are a number of church and state violations that happen on a daily basis.  The best thing to do is to contact a national advocacy group such as the Freedom From Religion Foundation or Americans United for Separation of church and State.  They have staff attorneys who can assess the situation and write letter sand litigate, if necessary.

From my personal experience it is hard to fight things like this.  It's not illegal, but it is illegal if they want to keep there tax-exempt status.  However, the violation needs to be proved.  And in most cases they end up getting away with it.  Nevertheless, they should be reported to the IRS.

Comment by ParrotPirate on January 14, 2012 at 2:24pm

Just joined Atheist Nexus and this group. I did this for a specific purpose. Is there a group member near Greenfield? I was there for work yesterday, and I am almost positive I saw a sign stating the availability of "Stand With Walker" yard signs in front of the Seventh Day Adventist church on Loomis Road. This seems illegal, and was wondering if anybody in the area could check it out, as I won't be back tht way until next Friday at the earliest. Thanks!

Comment by Kurt Bocksenbaum on January 11, 2012 at 8:35pm

Hey Troy.  I agree with you..mostly.  Unfortunately it is doubtful that there will ever be a "level playing field."  Eric is correct that it is perfectly permissible to leave religious materials around if it does not violate the company's own HR policies.  Then again, something like that would drive me crazy, so I will bring you a bunch of genuine magazines for you to leave around.  I always take my own reading materials to the Dr. or anyplace that has a waiting room and leave it behind.  If she does destroy the magazines, then I would most certainly plead your case to HR.

Comment by Eric Hildeman on January 11, 2012 at 1:55pm

Careful, Troy.  In a government-owned venue, you have a legitimate point.  But a private business is free to be religiously biased.  I don't know what kind of job yours is, civil or private, but our chief virtue is that we're more rational about the subject.  I get frustrated with the arrogance of evangelists too, but it simply drives us backward if we appear to be the same kind of assholes they clearly are.

Comment by Troy Gorsline on January 11, 2012 at 12:16pm

CALL FOR AID !!!

While at work, a woman at the office has gotten into the habit of leaving christian devotionals in our breakroom. In response, I have left statements from FFRF and other fun little tid-bits. All of these have been torn apart and thrown away. When I attempted the same with the devotionals, another appeared with the nasty-gram stating this publication is a magazine deserving of a place next to the others left for public interest... different from my screen prints. This woman subjects the entire office to her church's goings on. She succeeds because of the christian dominance here and anyone who disagrees gets a pretty hostile work environment.

My call is for freethought magazines. If anyone has some dated publications they want recycled, please bring them to the next social. I will bring them to work.

I imagine these also will be destroyed and purged. The end game for me is to submit an HR complaint. First, I need to establish a level playing field.

Any help in my deviance will be admired.

Comment by Troy Gorsline on December 23, 2011 at 9:11am

I agree. It is so frustrating in the Waukesha area. I get questioned so often here (in Waukesha), "If you had to stand before God, how would you defend yourself."

My reply, "Well, considering there is no god, I am really not all that worried about it."

Comment by Angela M. on December 22, 2011 at 10:51pm

@Michael, The lady sitting next to me said something about how they were doing all the songs that weren't about Xmas, and I almost said to her, "Well, if you want your kids to sing songs about Xmas, isn't that what you take them to church for?"

Comment by Angela M. on December 22, 2011 at 6:01pm

I'd like to share a little seasonal cheer with you guys.  I went to the holiday sing-along that they have at my kids' school every year.  We have a new principal and, so far, I've been very impressed with her.  At any rate, I was so happy and thrilled to see that this year, they completely took the Christ out of Christmas and instead focused more on mutli-cultural significance of this time of year, especially as pertains to the solstice and the festivals involving light.  We sang songs from all different cultural perspectives and not one single mention of Jesus.  It was FREAKING AWESOME!  I told the principal afterward that this was my 5th year of attending the sing-alongs and that this was the best one yet, and why I thought so.  She was happy to hear it.  She said, "This school may not have been multi-cultural and all-inclusive in the past, but it is now."  YAY!!!  Totally made my day!  Best sing-along I could have hoped for.  :-)

Comment by Angela M. on December 22, 2011 at 5:55pm

Michael, I'm in New Berlin, and you are so spot-on about Waukesha County!  The stories I could tell!

 
 
 

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