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A group for those who actively rebel against religious bullshit. Religions harm our society, poison our mind and threaten our mental health. This is an Anti-Religions-Group! No discrimination against a certain group of imbeciles, but all of them

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Comment by sk8eycat on June 2, 2011 at 12:12am
@Ian Please tell your daughter that she has my most sincere admiration.  Wish I'd had her brains and bravery when I was her age!  *Applause-Applause!*
Comment by sk8eycat on June 2, 2011 at 12:05am

FFRF Press Release (Hooorayyyy!!!)

CALIFORNIA ATTORNEY GENERAL SHOULD INVESTIGATE

FFRF calls for fraud probe into Rapture campaign

June 1, 2011

The Freedom From Religion Foundation wants California Attorney General Kamala Harris to investigate how many innocent people may have suffered financially, emotionally and physically due to Pastor Harold Camping's $100 million campaign predicting Armageddon on May 21.

FFRF is a national state-church watchdog with over 16,500 nonreligious members, including over 2,400 in California.

In a May 31 letter to Harris, FFRF noted numerous calls for apologies by victims of Camping's "Rapture" crusade and concerns for the untold numbers of people he and his organization duped.

"Our organization seeks to hold Camping accountable in a more tangible way," said the letter from FFRF Co-Presidents Annie Laurie Gaylor and Dan Barker. "We ask you to investigate Camping's 501(c)(3) nonprofit organization, Family Stations Inc., for fraud and deceit."

Family Stations is an umbrella for Camping's religious projects, including a radio show broadcast worldwide and streaming online, an online repository of religious commentary and the distribution of sectarian tracts and pamphlets. "Through these endeavors, Camping convinced droves of his loyal listeners and adherents that the end of the world was rapidly approaching and that people had only until May 21, 2011, to 'find' religion," the letter said.

"We understand that Family Stations Inc. maintains that the primary source of the $100 million was the liquidation of property owned by the nonprofit, whose reported donations totaled more than $18 million in 2009 — well before his Rapture campaign reached its zenith. It is not unreasonable to believe that at least that amount comprised part of the total advertising budget in 2010 and 2011. There are media reports of dozens of Camping's followers who liquidated their own assets to contribute tens and sometimes hundreds of thousands of dollars to Camping's organization, convinced (by Camping) that they would have no need for the money or material goods after May 21 and that they were needed by Family Stations Inc., in order to advertise for the proclaimed Rapture. Others incurred thousands of dollars in debt through extravagant purchases and family vacations, allegedly convinced (by Camping) that they should enjoy the world before its impending destruction. Some quit their jobs, sold or abandoned their homes, packed their families and moved in preparation for the 'end of the world.' "

The letter continued, "Tragically, there are even reports that some of Camping's followers committed suicide to avoid the terror promised by the Rapture stories. A Florida man drowned in California as a result of his Rapture-related delusions, according to detectives, and in doing so, he pulled family members into the cold waters, endangering their lives as well. Perhaps one of the most horrifying stories related to the Rapture predictions comes from California, where a woman slit her children's throats and then her own in order "to prevent them from suffering through [the Tribulation]."

Many other people may not be speaking up "due to the embarrassment of losing their financial security as a result of their loyalty to a false prophet."

"The California Attorney General's Office has a duty to protect the public from predatory charities, and we hereby request that the Charitable Trusts Section investigate and, if appropriate, take legal action against Family Stations Inc. for its potential fraudulent misuse of charitable assets," said the letter, which listed relevant portions of the California Civil Code on deception and fraud.

"Camping's actions and the actions of Family Stations seem to show that they neither behaved nor conducted business as if they sincerely believed that the world would end on May 21, and they continued to solicit donations up to, on and after that date," the letter said.

"Camping did not commit deceit and fraud in being wrong about the date of the Rapture; the question to be determined is whether he may have committed deceit or fraud in persuading his followers to donate often large sums of money to his organization based on a claim — that the world would definitely end on May 21, 2011, and that he needed to advertise this 'fact' — while objectively conducting his business as though he knew it to be untrue."

The letter concluded, "If self-proclaimed 'prophets' are fraudulently enriching their coffers at the expense of their impressionable members, the Attorney General's Office must take action."

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I'd love to see the twit held accountable for at least some of the damage he caused. (Whatever happened to the old story about "The Boy Who Cried 'Wolf!' "???)  DUH!

Comment by Keith Sewell on June 1, 2011 at 11:33pm

 

Mike,

 

In response to your message: 'I found myself in a large room, crowded with people. I smelled smoke and saw flames, so yelled "Fire!! Here's the door, let's leave." But nobody moved or spoke. Nobody even said "You're wrong about there being a fire because.....", or "Yes, OK, there is a fire, but we can't leave because......". There was no reaction at all.' 

Until I can get some feedback on my observation about the fire I just haven't got anything else that's important enough to discuss. But thanks for asking, and regards,

 

Keith

Blog URL:  http://www.poppersinversionapp.blogspot.com

 

  

Comment by Ian on June 1, 2011 at 9:54pm

A (small) victory - My daughter was upset that her school were planning to include a prayer in her graduation. Public schools in the south are like that. She got the American's United for Separation of Church and State, AND the ACLU to contact the school board to complain/threaten this afternoon.

Tonight... no prayer! the first time I have been to a graudation or public event in Bob Jones's backyard and not had my intellect insulted with prayers to the invisible cloud being. I'm very proud of her for her finesse--she even managed to do this without the Nutters of God finding out it was her.

Brilliant.

Comment by sk8eycat on June 1, 2011 at 1:40am

Oh, it took a long time here, too.  As I said, I went to HS in the Dark Ages, pre-Sputnik.  The congressman we had for decades, before the one who put his bigoted foot in his mouth, sponsored a bill during the Reagan administration proclaiming 1983 The Year of the buybull, and Reagan signed it, of course.  I wrote Mr. Moorhead a letter of complaint, asking him when we could have The Year of the Kama Sutra, among other "holy" books.  He actually wrote back, and expressed surprise that anyone could object to "the good book."  At that time I wasn't well "versed" enough to write back and mention Hosea 13:16, or any of the other ugly parts of the OT.  Wish I had.

Were the bus ads some of the ones sponsored by FFRF?  They've been doing some very tasteful billboards and bus signs.  And T-shirts.

A couple of years ago I had spinal surgery, and the only hospital in town is very, very Catholic. I walked into Admitting wearing my "Imagine No Religion" shirt...at 5:30AM.  The clerks giggled.  So did some of the attendants before they crammed me into one of those backless wonders and prepped me.

I was in there 5 days, and one day I told my (brilliant young) doctor that I seriously objected to the "scarecrow" on the wall, he nearly fell down laughing.  Said the things grossed him out, too, but what can you do?

When they finally let me get out of bed and walk around, I hung the T-shirt over it; some of the nurses were amused.  The nuns were not.  Pity.

I've been a bit of a rebel all my life.  It's more fun than following the herd.

 

 

Comment by sk8eycat on May 31, 2011 at 11:00pm

@Mike  Oh.  I understand. 

 

THIS used to be a conservative religious town, too.  When I was in high school (iin the Dark Ages), the principal frowned on dancing, so all we had for my first 2 years were the Winter and Summer Class Proms...they could NOT deprive kids of those.  Then he retired, we got a new principal, and had all kinds of dances, almost every Friday night (after the end of the football season).  NOW this town is so culturally and racially mixed that the last conservative congressman we had was booted out of office 12 years ago for saying something derogatory about a particular minority group near an open mic.  I was thrilled to see the last of him!

Comment by sk8eycat on May 31, 2011 at 10:44pm

@Mike Larson

How long ago was it that you were asked to swear on a buybull in court?  I thought they'd pretty much done away with that years ago.

 

The last time I served on a jury was more than 5 years ago, and there wasn't a buybull to be seen in the courtroom.  At all.  People were just asked to raise their right hands, and nobody said, "S'welp me, ghod," either.  Maybe it was just that particular judge's option, but I found it refreshing.

Comment by ɟǝןıx dǝʇɹɐɹ on May 1, 2011 at 9:13am
What did you drink this morning, my friend?
Comment by PODELEAN IOAN on May 1, 2011 at 4:18am

Dear Aleksandra Zivkovic, dears comrades into the true belief,ATHEISM

I'm very glad to be with you in this comunity of realists and intelligents mans and womans. If you are strongs, I'm THE BEST of you, because I'm indeed allergical given the aberrations and the power to stultify of all the religions. WE ARE the "light of the world", because we propagate THE TRUTH and THE THINGS WHO ARE(1 Cor 1:28), unlike the stupides and fanatics "sheeps"(the symbol of foolishness) religiouses. who believes in THINGS WHO ARE NOT(1 Cor.1:28). and make "eternal life"/eternal CELEBRITY to the super-inteligents TRICKIES(Mat.27:63) who profited from the weakness and the superstitions of the naives irrationals and without human dignity. Brothers and sisters in atheism, let's be unites and very militants!

Let's create a world typ STAR TREK,Next generation, without superstitions and "elevating" humilities. With frienship......

Comment by Keith Sewell on February 24, 2011 at 5:29am

Hello to All,

 

In having found your more hard-core group at what was already an atheist only site I suspect that I am at last among my own people. I have some ideas for advancement of what I take to be our common agenda (getting rid of religions altogether, or as Voltaire put it: getting to the point of all Bibles Qurans and their like being safely consigned to museums). These ideas are expressed in four essays at my blogsite:  http://www.poppersinversionapp.blogspot.com . The lead-in essay is a simple three step recipe for effective argument with any smart proselytizing theist.  Enjoy.  And all feedback/criticism will be welcomed and responded to.

 

Greetings again, and best regards,

 

Keith Sewell

 

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