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Comment by TNT666 on December 20, 2011 at 4:51pm

They 'screamed' it then, they 'scream' it now, but in between there was a long period of near shut-up-ness :)

The brand of fundamentalism we're seeing today began in the 1970s.

Comment by sk8eycat on December 20, 2011 at 2:13pm

TNT666 - "Recent?"  Are you kidding me? The fundamentalists have been screaming "blasphemy" since Darwin published The Origin of Species, and they still get their way most of the time.

The Scopes trial took place almost 100 years ago, and even though Clarence Darrow conducted a brilliant defense, Scopes lost.

You would think that the scientific advances since the end of WW2 would have changed some people's minds, but they're more powerful, richer, and louder than ever.  Mainly because they are organized, and we are not. They're all over cable and broadcast TV, they own their own broadcasting and satellite facilities (they use technology when it serves their purposes), and Air America couldn't even stay on low-watt radio stations for two years.

Irrationality is "winning" because too many people are too lazy to think for themselves, or they have been punished in childhood for doing so. 

I was lucky, for the first 10 years of my life my parents answered my questions as honestly as they could, or if they didn't know the answers, they said so and helped me look for what answers were available. For my 5th birthday, Dad took me to the library and got me my own card. I was allowed to take home any books I chose. We went to a small liberal church (there were very few mega-churches then, and only one or two celebrity preachers in the whole USA ... Mom laughed at them, even though she was a fundie at heart), but we never had buybull readings and prayers at home. Our xmas eve "services" were a cup of cocoa and a bedtime reading of A Visit From St. Nicholas, NOT the "nativity" story in "Luke."

But at least 60% or of today's children aren't so lucky.

The good news is that by the time they get to college, the ones who really want straight answers have applied Sturgeon's Law to what they've heard in church, or even in parochial schools, are joining groups like Secular Students Alliance, and making their voices heard.  About 35% of college students say they are not religious, compared to 15% of all adult Americans.  There is hope.

Something is happening...I'm just sorry that I probably won't still be around to see the results. 

@Steph: I "borrowed" "Religious Wrong" from Harlan Ellison about 30+ years ago.  He was referring to Phyllis Schlafly (sp?), who he called "Phyllis Sh*tfly, and her anti-feminist fans.

Comment by Steph S. on December 19, 2011 at 10:58pm

"members of the Religious Wrong" -- I like that term sk8eycat!

Comment by Richard Lawrence on December 19, 2011 at 10:31pm

Some truth to what Yakoub presents?  What might this be?  Please, enthrall me with your acumen.

Comment by TNT666 on December 19, 2011 at 10:18pm

One must recognise however how recent these attitudes are. Turning our critical eye to the... ahem... genesis... of this attitude, we might find there's some truth to the reactionary theory yakoub presents...

Comment by sk8eycat on December 19, 2011 at 9:47pm

We're talking about the major percentage of xians in this country; the kind of people who are willing to spend millions of bux on "Creation Museums" that display people and dinosaurs coexisting, and other absurdities.  They believe this sh*t the same way we believe that days folows night. 

Do you remember the history of the Scopes trial, where a young schoolteacher was charged with the crime of teaching evolution to high school students?  It was a crime in Tennessee at that time.  It would not have been in the laws if the majority of the people in Tennessee didn't feel strongly against being related to apes.  They still do.  At least 60% of American adults believe that humand were especially created by YHWH...out of dirt and spit.  This is an educational disaster!  Biology and medicine can't progress without a solid background in evolution.

You're right that we probably can't change their minds, but perhaps we can change their children's minds.  Some of them, anyway.

Our whole educational system has been dumbed-down severely in the past 50 years, and we are falling behind the rest of the world (except the all-Muslim countries) in all the sciences.  It's not only shameful, it's dangerous.

If people can't feel "special" because their DNA proves we are descended from creatures like australopithecus, and would rather be descended from a pair of naifs crated from dust and spit, they are a pretty sorry lot.  Hopeless. They think their imaginary "savior" is going to come take them to heaven in the next 20+ years anyway.  I wish he would; then the rest of us could get on with Real Life. 

Comment by yakoub abaya on December 19, 2011 at 1:45pm

sk8eycat for those people if you prove god didn't create us in his image then they will still search for other false beliefs that makes them feel important .

so what we should be doing is making them feel good about themselves even if they aren't actually that important

Comment by sk8eycat on December 19, 2011 at 1:31pm

Many people care very much whether we evolved or were created by a "god."  It makes them feel important to believe that they are copies of "his image."

Right now members of the Religious Wrong are trying to force public schools to give creationism "equal time" in science classes.  If we sit back and do nothing, they will succeed.

These people will never believe that the universe was not "created" in six days, but perhaps their children will.  IF they are taught critical thinking and science as it is...not what their parents wish it to be.

In the meantime, try getting them to give natural selection equal time with creationism in their churches....

Comment by TNT666 on December 19, 2011 at 1:29pm

I partially agree with you yakoub. Science is a nice way of approaching the world, but art is also, as are the humanities. What often breaks my heart on these forums is reading non scientists making science claims, and being wrong in so many ways. There is no such thing as armchair scientist. Also there are those who 'believe' in the positive 'benefits' of science... when science is not an end point but only a method. Science can do equal harm or benefit to humans, it's just a matter of our philosophy when using science.

Furthermore, Rich, you are wrong about religion being against science "from the getgo". In fact, it was quite the opposite... the main thing to have driven males in the last 2000 years is the search for enlightenment through distancing humanity from nature... as nature is a 'base and ugly' thing. This separation started with religion, questioning nature, 'improving' humans. Most great thinkers and scientists have been from among clergy. Only in the past 100 years or so has science been distancing itself from religion. But only 30some percent of scientists are atheists. Admittedly, that's twice the percentage of the rest of the population... but still, not a very big percentage from my standpoint.

And one certainly does not 'need' any science at all in order to reject the supernatural, it is related to having a critical mind and refusing indoctrination, and many scientists have neither of these characteristics. In 10 years in science at university level, the vast majority of students I met did not have a critical mind. Our education system is a major failure in this regard.

Comment by yakoub abaya on December 19, 2011 at 11:09am

irst of all i prefer a secular person who believes the world is flat over a religious person who is an astrophysicists

second even if you proof scientifically beyond any doubt that the religious texts and beliefs are false, but do not change the social structure of our societies then people will still continue to be religious , because once again people don't choose religion because of the debate over how the world was created or how humanity came into existence , people in their daily life wouldn't care less of how we were created , like who cares ? really ? .. on scientific question sure it is interesting and important but on every day ordinary life do you think it matters to people whether the world was created by god or not ? we atheists are missing the WHOLE point, there core of the problem which motivates religious thinking has nothing to do with natural sciences .

 

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