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Socialist Libertarians

A group for left leaning libertarians. We stand for minimalist government, and social safety nets like socialized education, healthcare, and welfare. Contradiction? We think not.

Members: 53
Latest Activity: Mar 12


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Hi my name is ryan cool group

Started by Ryan doh Jun 1, 2011. 0 Replies

I always wanted to learn about Socialist Libertarism. I realy like how you beleive in helping people but at the same time not infriging on Individual freedoms, peronal choices and libetries. Not sure…Continue

Sarah Palin's Tea Party Speech

Started by Anwar Diamante. Last reply by Michelle Jul 23, 2010. 2 Replies

Yesterday,I was anticipating to see a documentary on Martin Luther King Jr. Instead, I saw Sarah Palin's speech for the Tea Party Movement. Palin, is a train wreck that I cannot look away from. The…Continue

How can we take back anarchism? (With some reading materials)

Started by Sitakali. Last reply by Anwar Diamante Feb 7, 2010. 9 Replies

I just left the "anarchist atheists" group because I'm frankly sick of loud, obnoxious "anarcho"-capitalists preaching their complete ignorance of anarchism. And I do mean ignorance, because it looks…Continue

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Comment by Christi C. on September 13, 2012 at 10:13pm

So this is the group where we sarcastically call ourselves Satan worshipers? jk

Comment by Steph S. on August 28, 2012 at 10:45pm
Cool group!
Comment by Steph S. on December 23, 2011 at 4:08pm

Hello everyone!

Comment by Temmuz Salman on September 16, 2011 at 7:45pm
Ok. Not exactly what I was hoping to find like, "Marxist Libertarians" (Contradiction. I think not.) but... maybe this is as good as life can get.
Comment by Geraldo Cienmarcos on November 29, 2010 at 2:38pm
Noam Chomsky - Libertarian Socialism Contradicting terms
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wriQGI5NGOM
Comment by Geraldo Cienmarcos on November 28, 2010 at 5:30pm
DREAM Act Students Defy Deportations

DREAM Act Students Defy Deportations, Demand Vote in Congress
David Bacon, Truthout:
"A vote in Congress would be a tribute to thousands of these 'sin papeles,' or people without papers. For seven years, they have marched, sat in, written letters and mastered every civil rights tactic in the book to get their bill onto the Washington, DC agenda. Many of them have given new meaning to 'coming out' - declaring openly their lack of legal status in media interviews, defying threats of detainment. Three were arrested last May for sitting in the office of Sen. John McCain (R-Arizona), demanding that he support the bill."

Read the Article
http://www.truth-out.org/dream-act-students-defy-deportations-deman...
Comment by Geraldo Cienmarcos on September 22, 2010 at 3:23pm
A Marxist analysis of Cuba's new economic reforms

Tuesday, September 21, 2010
PSL's view of Cuba's plan to eliminate 500,000 state-sector jobs

By Brian Becker

It is more important than ever for communists, in general, and the Party for Socialism and Liberation, specifically, to state our position on the Cuban Revolution.

The capitalist media, the government, legions of academics and think tank policy “experts” are busy at work defining the current stage of the Cuban Revolution, and assessing major political and economic pronouncements made by Cuba and its individual leaders in recent weeks.

Unlike the capitalist government and its “thinkers,” we in the PSL are partisans of the Cuban Revolution. The capitalists look at any weakness in Cuba as an opportunity to attack, weaken or subvert the Cuban Revolution and the cause of socialism. We seek to promote a militant defense of Cuba and socialism. We seek to evaluate its problems, contradictions and policies with a different aim than the Empire. Thus, the “battle of ideas” on the question of Cuba is part and parcel of the global class struggle that is intensifying daily.

The Cuban government recently announced a major economic reorganization that will involve the reduction in employment in the state sector by as many as 500,000 workers. The reforms will also promote the enlargement of what is called the “private sector,” which means the formation of privately owned enterprises organized to generate profits for the private owners of the businesses.

There already is a private sector in Cuba, but it is limited and based on self-employment rather than employing the labor of others. Taxi drivers, restaurants, barbers and hairstylists, mechanics, and farmers are some of the occupations and areas of private business. The number of people working in the private sector is in the hundreds of thousands.

An unanswered question so far is whether the Cuban government is preparing to change its laws on the rights of privately owned business to hire labor—and thus exploit labor—and to generate and accumulate capital.

Click here to read the full analysis.

http://www.pslweb.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=14493&...
Comment by Structure Theory on April 2, 2010 at 12:16am
Comment by Toni B on February 6, 2010 at 2:07pm
Hello. I'd like to think I'm fairly well educated and informed; however, I'm not sure I understand forms of government well. That said, I DO know the concepts here (thank you Structure Theory) make the most sense to me. Does Spooner fit into this category? He's views have really rung a bell with me.
Comment by Structure Theory on January 20, 2010 at 9:39am
The Nerd: Libertarianism is about providing personal freedoms by removing restrictions on personal freedoms which currently exist in government. Libertarianism strives for minimalist government.

Socialism is about providing people with personal freedoms by giving them the means of production.

Both aim to take away power from those who don't deserve it. Both aim to redistribute that power back to the people.

In reality, what we're really talking about here is the oldschool of socialist, libertarian, and anarchist theory, which all got along back when they spawned. They were all anti-authoritarian movements that felt that people needed more say in the world. They all felt that wealth and power was too top-heavy, and that hoarding of resources was immoral and oppressive.

All hell broke loose on the socialist side with Lenin and his likeminded contemporaries. He decided, in his infinite wisdom, that the best way to impliment socialism was to force state socialism on the people. Instead of letting the people democratically build a socialist system where the people controlled the resouces, he decided that it was the state's job to enforce such a system on the people. According to Marx, the state would indeed control the means of production in a communist society, but this would ONLY work because in a communist society, the working class had become the state. In a communist society, EVERYONE is the state... and the state worked only for the people. Functionalitywise, it was a minimalist state, just like a libertarian state. It would be a tool of the people, not a ruling body.

Hell also broke loose on the libertarian side with the advent of capitalism. The new libertarianism has been hijacked by the idea that financial freedom is all that's needed to make people truly free. This was driven by the neoliberal ideals of free market capitalism, and the writings of such philosophers as Ayn Rand. Gone were the days where libertarianism was linked primarily with social freedoms. Libertarianism had now become big business's bitch.

So, if you look at the history, marxist socialism and classical libertarianism were essentially the same thing. There was a divergence on both sides from their roots... but most of the modern adherants of socialism actually fall more in line with classical libertarianism than most self proclaimed libertarians.
 

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