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(NSFW) A no-taboo approach to sexual education and health.

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Sex for fun and non-procreation!

In this world, we can't get away from religion. We've been exposed to false information regarding contraception failure rates and experienced the STD scare tactics. Some of us may even have gone through abstinence-only sex education!

Here in Secular Sexuality we will discuss:

-sexual health in light of peer-reviewed science
-safe for work guides on safe(r) sex (or links)
-questions that would shock the religious

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Comment by MaleficVTwin on October 23, 2011 at 10:19pm

Speaking of 'underage', has anyone looked at age-of-consent laws and how they vary state to state? Some states have AOC set as young as 14. This raises an interesting point: does morality change when you cross state lines?

 

I ask this because when I was in my early 20's, I briefly dated a girl that was 17. I live in NV, where AOC is 16. Cali is a 20 minute drive away, where the AOC is 18. We did things that were totally legal in my state, yet illegal if we did them a short drive down the highway. 

 

CA would consider it child sex, NV would not. Thoughts?

 

 

Comment by TNT666 on October 23, 2011 at 9:56pm

@ Cet:

I had both articles open my browser as well as the original post, all the while; neither is of great scientific interest/value, as the language, as often happens in humanities/psychology/EB papers, is too vague to be considered truly conclusive, grrr.

But overall, I found nothing disturbing in there either. Certainly nothing that validated the crazy name calling and hysteria that ensued. The people who get hysterical over this (female and male, though lacking a uterus :P) I think are simply over influenced by religious morals, stemming from their youth, which are against sex initially for all... then being a 'cool' atheist... sex becomes ok for all those above the 'legal age' but remains 'immoral' for those under the 'legal age', and this gets transferred to only being against sex for underage people. I find that to be an extremely prude behaviour.

 

The distinction on the topic of consent is knowledge and maturity, not age. Of course a child that is raised in an infantilised bubble probably does not have much going on sexually, but for any youth out there in the real world with non hysterical parents (and I've know a few in the real world too) exploring sexuality is normal at almost any age. Being attracted to older men is the norm for younger females, yet for males it's taboo... I lean with the articles overall, slightly before full fledged puberty is when humans get moving, parents need to be ready.

Comment by TNT666 on October 23, 2011 at 9:40pm
holy shit egan, if only you could stick to the topic instead of personal attacks, that would be so refreshing...
Comment by Susan Stanko on October 23, 2011 at 9:08pm
Anne, the original poster's profile does not exist anymore.  His comment to the group doesn't exist anymore.  I doubt he chose to leave willingly.
Comment by tom sarbeck on October 23, 2011 at 9:01pm

Who will now say the human mind governs human emotions?

Thanks, Cet, for reposting the article. I've skimmed parts of it and saw only material that SCOTUS has said has First Amendment protection.

 

Comment by Anne Gunther on October 23, 2011 at 8:59pm
I don't know why people are assuming they know why, or even if, someone is banned. We atheists get enough crap as it is. Do we really want this chaos?
Comment by Martin Cox on October 23, 2011 at 7:49pm
Oh look. More poorly constructed straw-man arguments. The fact that you omparex consensual intimate contact between adults to the raping of children is quite telling. The additional repetitive behaviors of invoking claims of fear and religious influence indicate that you crave the attention and are just a troll.

If you are a troll, learn some subtlety. If not, get help. Either way you're definitely in the non-thinking category and thus beneath my notice.
Comment by Cet on October 23, 2011 at 7:36pm
If I get banned for posting it, it was nice knowing ya! Hopefully this evens the discussion out, though and posters can actually debunk what they find abhorrent instead of filling our inbox with threats.
Comment by Martin Cox on October 23, 2011 at 7:35pm
Anyone who reads what you just wrote can see how you are trying to twist the word "consent" to include the raping of children. You are disgusting.
Comment by Cet on October 23, 2011 at 7:31pm

My inbox is littered with every message from today. So everyone knows exactly what's being discussed and can respond accordingly, here's Juan Pablo's original post, complete with links.


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One of the most controversial opinions to hold in modern Western culture is that adult-child sexual interactions can be consensual, are not always harmful, and may even be beneficial.  Despite the controversy, some researchers have been brave enough to present voices of reason that affirm this, and in the face of a culture so hysterical at the demonized image of the child-molesting, rapist "pedophile" that it actually causes harm to the very children it tries to protect.  It's time we start considering empirical evidence and logic on this emotionally-charged issue.  The modern treatment of this issue creates victims out of children and adults and causes immense trauma and suffering.

To be clear, the argument is that a distinction can be made between consensual and non-consensual adult-child sexual interactions.  The unwilling participation of a child or adult will always qualify the interaction as molestation or rape, and these researchers would never advocate for such interaction.

Please, give these researchers the respect they deserve.  The pressure not to publish the truth on this issue is immense, and to do so is to sacrifice one's career (and more).

I would like to point everyone to two peer-reviewed articles published in academic journals that do a very good job of enlightening the common person of the reality of this situation.  One article, published this year, focusing specifically on relationships between men and boys, has been graciously provided for free until the end of this year by the publisher.  The other article, though not free directly from the publisher, I have found uploaded in full from a couple sources.  The link to the original article from the publisher has still been provided.

FREE ARTICLE (until 12/31/11): The Role of Androphilia in the Psychosexual Development of Boys (http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/19317611.2010.509696)

CONDEMNATION OF A SCIENTIFIC ARTICLE: A CHRONOLOGY AND REFUTATION OF THE ATTACKS AND A DISCUSSION OF THREATS TO THE INTEGRITY OF SCIENCE (http://www.springerlink.com/content/q771v3lq3x036122/)
Alternative Source 1 (http://www.accessmylibrary.com/article-1G1-65225957/condemnation-sc...)
Alternative Source 2 (http://www.ipce.info/library_2/rbt/condemn_frame.htm)
 
After reading through one or both articles, I would like to hear everyone's thoughts and criticisms.  How did you feel while reading these?  Has your opinion on this issue changed?  If not, why not?  Do you, like the researchers and sympathetics, feel pressure against holding this non-standard opinion?
 
Thanks for reading and participating!

 

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