So I was talking with a girl today and she told me about some of the stuff she has to deal with at her workplace (Hooters). I was surprised, honestly, I thought that the information I was working with (about Hooters) was all just bull shit stereotypes, because I haven't actually ate there before. She said that her boss pulled her shirt down (exposing much of herself) to see what kind of bra she was wearing. She explained that the reason for that conduct is they have a dress code, and I guess they can only wear tan colored bras, but still that is a highly inappropriate way of dealing with it. She provided several other examples, but this is one that really stood out in my mind, because of the people involved. 

I am wondering if anyone on here knows anything about Hooters, and maybe the details of a contractual agreement employees are in (I am loosely knowledgeable about the consent form employees have to sign, basically to make harassment impossible between employee and customer). I spoke with her about sitting down with a lawyer, and I told her I would be more than happy to help her find one. She didn't seem to support the idea. It may have been wrong to pressure her to speak with a lawyer (because I did, unashamedly; at the moment), but I felt strongly compelled. All I want is for her to have options, and having a boss or manager who sexually assaults you -- being harassed by the customers is one thing, but being sexually assaulted by your boss is an entirely different ball game. 

Honestly, I just find it obscene that any guy could look at a Hooters Girl and see how their job is essentially to be walking tits and ass so to serve perverts who don't know how to do a google search for porn -- how someone could see that, and still deny that employee a safe place under occupational professionalism; that is sick and I cannot comprehend how someone can do that and sleep at night. 

If anyone has answers to some of these questions, I'd appreciate it very much. There is just something about people who use their authority/power to do obscene things to those who are weaker or less fortunate -- it just rubs me the wrong way. Being an employee anywhere should not make you subject to the sexual whims of your employer. 

Also, just in general, I'd advise boycotting Hooters. It's pathetic that a restaurant chain is essentially based on female sex appeal. And I suppose it's sad that some people haven't managed to overcome some teenage captivation with disproportionate body parts.

I don't understand how someone could find going to Hooters sexually attractive or stimulating, like these girls would never even talk to most of the guys who hit on them, they are not smiling because they think that guy is funny, witty, intelligent, hot, or cute -- they are smiling and playing along cause it's their fuckin' job. It's just as personal as the guy who collects your garbage on Tuesday, it's a job. How people manage to look beyond the counterfeit nature of nearly all the social interactions in a Hooters establishment actually are, I don't know. 

You know what? Maybe boycotting is a little radical, how about a new trend. People could write on the receipt the restaurant keeps, "Here for food, not boobs." Just an idea. I like that idea more, because it is the direction of changing Hooters, and not killing it. What do you guys think? 

Okay, so I started off with a simple question, but I ended up just ranting (gosh, well, whatever). I highly considered cutting out most of what I said, but screw it. Anyways, thanks for reading if you got this far, and I'm sorry if you feel like I wasted your time. 

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The first couple of years Hooters was open, I had lunch there now and then because it was near the place I was working. The food was good, and I met some very nice and interesting young ladies there. I can't imagine anybody stupid enough to go their to try to have a sexual liaison. But what do I know? Then their food went downhill. I mean WAY downhill. I was served food that wasn't even as good as McDonald's, which coming from me is a pretty bad insult. I blame their management for that...which means their managers have two serious faults (1) they don't know how to manage the kitchen staff to keep quality up, and (2) they don't watch out for dumbasses who sexually harass the waitresses. Hey Hooters, it's called "management." Take a couple of college courses.

I like what you had to say EJN - I have never eaten there myself.

Nope, same here.  I've never eaten at Hooters.  Their public image just turns me off, for some reason.

I ate there 2-3 times in the 2000s, cuz a couple of males we were hanging with wanted to eat there. I feel it's a degrading place for females and would prefer not to eat there, no matter what the food quality is.

I've never eaten there before either so I can't comment on the food.  I'll probably get some flack for this and maybe it is because I'm a guy that I have this opinion, but I don't see what the big deal is.  I mean why the concern about the women working at a place called Hooters having some form of sexual harassment?  Are you saying the adult women working there aren't capable of making informed decisions about what they wish to do with their lives and bodies?

Would the same concern be there if men were working at an eating establishment called  "Hot studs?" A certain type of clientelle will be attracted to a place like hooters and unless a woman is an oblivious owl lover, she should know as an adult what she is getting herself into by working in a restaurant called Hooters.

I haven't eaten there myself because I don't like the image it portrays, but I am personally against telling other adults what they should or should not do.  If an adult woman wants to work there and other people want to eat there, let them.  Why not focus the attention on sexual harassment where it shouldn't obviously be instead?

Bet you think prostitutes can't be raped either.  Seriously, working at Hooters makes it okay for a manager to pull down your shirt to look at your bra!  Or didn't you bother to actually read the OP?

I did read the OP.  And since this girl was telling you these things instead of a lawyer, I first assume that getting her bra checked must be in whatever working agreement they have to sign so she agreed to it and second I assume her boss is a woman since again, she was telling you about it and not a lawyer.  Because even if there is an agreement to wear certain types of undergarments, I can't imagine a woman allowing a man to pull her shirt down to check her bra rather than perhaps ask to see a strap. But I can imagine a woman doing that to another woman as I have seen very aggressive behavior between women bosses and their female counterparts.

So was the boss a woman or a man and if it was a man, are there no attorney's where this woman lives that would like to sue Hooters?

And no, I didn't say sexual harrassment cannot happen at Hooters as your hooker analogy offers.  I was saying in certain types of jobs it is almost to be expected, especially when you are objectifying yourself and the lines between appropriate behavior and inappropriate are easily blurred.

If I had the body, which I don't, and I got a job at Chippendale's as a male dancer, I would expect to be hit on and touched constantly.  And what would definitely be inappropriate touching or behavior in any regular job, would be at least common and expected if not appropriate.

 

That's gross! At 40 I would think I would be mature enough to not laugh when I see pooping in a sentence, but I guess not.  Perhaps it is because I deal with my 6 and 4 year old all the time though and we make those kinds of jokes.

I couldn't imagine someone getting on a sex offenders list for defecating in public.  Maybe an indecent exposure charge along with public intoxication perhaps, but I would think it would have to be an explicit or overtly sexual act to land someone on the offenders registry.

General public nudity though like exposing oneself on purpose without the intent to use the bathroom I could see as sexual or a sexual offense.  I do not believe it is fair that it is socially acceptable for men to be topless in public and not women.  Especially considering the size of some mens breasts are larger than womens considering our obesity problems in the U.S. and elswhere.

Maybe an indecent exposure charge along with public intoxication perhaps, but I would think it would have to be an explicit or overtly sexual act to land someone on the offenders registry.

But, that's often not the case.  In a country in which an 18 year-old boy can get convicted of statutory rape for having sex with his 17 year-old girlfriend, then continue to have to register as a sex offender, after they're married, because he had sex with her in a state that doesn't include an additional age-proximity law on top of the hard-line of age of consent ... you're going to get some fucked up results that any sane person would look at and scream.

You are absolutely right about sexual assault being sexual assault.  What got me going was how upset you were it was happening at Hooters, and yes, I understand still that it is sexual assault, but my overall point is that people should be more logical of their choices and accept the repercussions of their actions and be prepared to defend themselves if the unthinkable or thinkable happens.

If you choose to work in an establishement that allows you to be objectified like Hooters, then extra crap is going to happen rather than at say IHOP. Either be prepared to counter it or deal with it if it happens, but know it is more likely. 

Sexual assault is tramatic and wrong in any place and that womans treatment was wrong.  But to me, complaining about the sexual goings on at hooters is like complaining coffee you spill in your lap burned you, it is expected by the name.  To me rather than change the atmosphere of hooters to a non-sexual one, which I think is impossible, simply choose to eat and work in another location and hope that the lack of participation causes the restaurant to go away.

I also understand that a college student or any single working woman can possibly make more money as a waitress at hooters than IHOP and that will influence their decision on where to work, but a choice is still being made and we must all be prepared to deal with the outcomes of our decisions.  Either by being strong and fighting back or seeking out help to ensure we are treated fairly and justly. Our lives and their outcomes are completely in our own hands (decisions) as atheists. I think choosing to work at a place like hooters is only asking for trouble, so be prepared if that is the choice. 

Working in an establishment in which you're objectified is not even close to synonymous with consenting to sexual assault.  You're consenting to being looked at in your skimpy outfit.  The moment someone grabs some part of your anatomy, you should have them thrown out.  If they're persistent about it or become belligerent, you could consider having them arrested for assault.

Christ, man.  Most strip clubs have a no-touching policy, and yet you think that girls working at Hooters have consented to being molested?

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