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Comment by MJ on April 4, 2009 at 1:32pm

For those interested, Pushing Daisies Season 2 is now avail. at Amazon for pre-order... I got mine... ;-)

Comment by Rosemary LYNDALL WEMM on April 4, 2009 at 1:07pm

See, Steve, I did join eventually :-)

Comment by Stephen Goldin on April 2, 2009 at 4:05pm

Thanks for the leads, Jay. I'll definitely check them out! And welcome. This group's still brand new, but it's already getting noisy!

Comment by JayBarti on April 2, 2009 at 2:43pm

Between Purchasing the DVD boxes (I support MST3K as they come out) and the edonkey TV archives I have a copy of every MST3K done (except for the lost KTSM ones).

One of the greatest shows ever!

P.S if you haven't checked out the new projects from the various show creators and hosts I recommend them as nice alternatives.

Joels new venture
http://www.cinematictitanic.com/

Mikes new venture
http://www.rifftrax.com/

I personally enjoy both :D

Comment by Stephen Goldin on April 2, 2009 at 11:28am

For those following this thread who don't recognize the acronym, MST3K is Mystery Science Theater 3000--and now that you've got that much, run, do not walk, to your video store and find episodes to rent. Like most works of genius, the basic idea is simplicity itself: sitting around and making fun of bad old movies. We all do it, but these lunatics perfected it. In a single 2-hour episode (minus commercials) they'll fling out somewhere between 500-1000 jokes. If you miss one, don't worry; more are on the way.

I've got nearly all of them taped off the air (including some of the rare KTSM ones--I believe those are the call letters of the Minneapolis station where they started).

[Note to Richard regarding "Manos: The Hands of Fate": I know someone who knew those people. He partied in that house in El Paso. They'd thought they'd destroyed all the copies. Too late now.]

Comment by Stephen Goldin on April 2, 2009 at 11:12am

I know what they can name the network. (Are you listening, Leslee?): NEW COKE! It's perfect. Symbolizes the whole MBA mentality. (In Howe's rationalization explanation he even mentions the brand name Coke without noticing the irony!) He admits, it's all about money, expanding their audience.

There are 2 ways to expand. This is the cheap and easy way, the MBA way: go purely for numbers and lowest common denominator, exploiting the shit out of anything you possibly can. Then there's the good way--go for quality products, know the field and go with your gut. But that takes courage and intelligence, qualities that are alien to MBAs. What you don't do is focus groups.

Yup, you're right about the origins of "sci fi." (Which we cognoscenti pronounce "skiffy.") We only put up with the term because we all loved Forry so much. Alas, he died a couple of months ago, and now we're stuck with the term.

Meanwhile, Howe mentions Eureka coming back in July (yay!), and Sanctuary (which was okay and had potential), and something called Warehouse 13 (which I believe is something like where the Ark of the Covenant is stored). Just keep remembering Sturgeon's Law.

Comment by Richard Valcourt on April 2, 2009 at 2:10am

Oh, and because this thread hasn't become tangential enough, I just want to say that I am a rabid MST3K fan. There aren't many shows where I actually buy the DVDs, but I have all of the sets of MST3K, plus the movie. I could watch them over and over...and I do!

Comment by Richard Valcourt on April 2, 2009 at 2:06am

Reading the comments below, I think I'm reminded of why I stopped watching the Sci Fi channel on a regular basis: the ratio of wheat to chaff was too low. I was especially discouraged by the rise of paranormal and other pseudoscientific programs masquerading as science. Don't get me wrong: I love like good fantasy (I've been a reader of Analog as well as Fantasy & Science Fiction for decades), but that's what it is: fantasy. I know the difference, and I know how to escape back into reality when it's over. I'm not encouraged by the name change in the Sci Fi Channel, because it looks like they may be tossing out their roots in the interest of just making a buck. Check out this link, in which the Sci Fi president answers some of the critical questions put to him:

http://scifiwire.com/2009/03/sci-fi-president-dave-how.php

His responses strike me as disingenuous at best. *sigh*

Steve, you nailed it on the origins of the term "sci fi". I believe it was coined by the pun-loving Forrest J. Ackerman in the 50s so there would be a catchy competitor with the term "hi-fi". I've never liked it either: it trivialized a form of literature that was still fighting for respect.

I just checked Netflix and the first 2 seasons of Eureka are available. Huzzah! (I was going to shout "eureka!" but that would have been too obvious.) I guess I know what I'll be renting soon.

Comment by Stephen Goldin on April 1, 2009 at 11:36pm

Yes, Leslee, SyFy was not a "y's" decision. My apologies, but you did say it.

Yes, write the review when you've had some good sleep. And plenty of caffeine.

Comment by Leslee Love on April 1, 2009 at 11:20pm

Psych is my favourite show besides Doctor Who!! Monk is brilliant as well.

No, I should say "????" is not easily pronouncable (I couldn't come up with anything at the time), and fairies are great, in fact I have a neat book on fairies, but I just think the new SciFi should be stronger, more "scientifical". The "y's" I don't like. BTW, I have finished. Now onto to my review...which I may publish tomorrow morning sometime after coffee. :)

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