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Comment by Diana Bett on September 27, 2011 at 7:27pm
I had hoped it had settled down, personally. I stopped hearing about it, but then, I was just as happy to have stopped hearing about it.
Comment by Susan Stanko on September 27, 2011 at 7:23pm
We has a mess of thread because of it.  Why are you trying to revive it?
Comment by annet on September 27, 2011 at 3:35pm

I did not realize it had settled down.  In case others managed to miss this (skip if you hate controversy): Our man is in the hot seat for giving response #75 at this link:


Comment by Diana Bett on September 27, 2011 at 2:57pm
I arrived on the site after that mess had settled down.
Comment by annet on September 27, 2011 at 2:47pm

Has this group really escaped elevatorgate?


Comment by Hania Uscka-Wehlou on September 27, 2011 at 3:37am
Great, simple and clear answer. Thank you, Mike!
Comment by Hania Uscka-Wehlou on September 27, 2011 at 1:44am
Thank you, James, for the explanation.
Comment by James M. Martin on September 26, 2011 at 5:21pm
Hania, Dawkins does it himself in The God Delusion, as does Harris, as does Hitchens.  It is just that you cannot use the isolated rise of people like Hitler and Stalin to make the claim that all tyrants are atheists.  Hitler began as a good Catholic but threw it under the bus for a cult of personality, in effect bringing about his own apotheosis while living; Stalin did much the same thing, but with regard to the Orthodox Church, again instituting a cult of personality.  They seemed to both think that before long their subjects would literally believe in the commandment, "I am the Lord thy God; you shall have other gods but me."  Only it wasn't Jehovah-Jesus, it was Hitler and Stalin.
Comment by Hania Uscka-Wehlou on September 26, 2011 at 3:21pm
James, It is exactly the reaction I sometimes get in Poland when I tell somebody that I am an atheist: "Well, the communists forbade us to have any religion..." (read: you are as bad as they are). Could you, please, give some more explanation about this "logical fallacy"? How to explain to a religiously brain-washed person that this association is wrong?
Comment by James M. Martin on September 26, 2011 at 12:19pm
Unfortunately, the fundamentalist types always conflate communism with atheism (ironically doing the same thing with fascism, vis-a-vis Hitler).  Guilt by association is the name of their game.  Again, a logical fallacy.

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