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Alain de Botton's latest book "Religion for Atheists" sounds like a very interesting book to read. What is your opinion?

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Comment by Gareth Mensah on April 13, 2012 at 6:09pm

It's a great read. I personally it's unfortunate that so many atheists reject the idea that atheism is, or should be, a religion. It is because it is protected as a religion under the first amendment as a religion that a child does not have to pray in class, and can tell his/her teacher that to pray in class is unconstitutional. As a religion, we have rights, we have a voice, we can as Alain de Botton suggests have our own symbols, rituals, creed, music, etc, all those things that unite a community. A cause or a movement is not the same as a community, it is only political and not much else. I hope more atheists can learn to move beyond the hatred of religion, and in it find the good stuff that have allowed them to last for so long, they must be doing something right. Unfortunately, many self-proclaimed atheists are really anti-theists.

Comment by Paula F on April 13, 2012 at 1:25pm

I am going to see if I can't get hold of this book and start reading it soon. I saw the author's TED talk and really liked a lot of his ideas.

I'm a professional musician and often perform sacred (Christian) music in churches. Despite my complete and utter atheism since childhood, I often find this music to be the most exquisite and moving of all.

Think of it this way--the greatest musical (and other artistic) geniuses throughout history were very often in the employ of the Church, and had to channel their gifts through the medium of a product that the Church wanted to patronize. Much of the greatest art, architecture, and music of the West was all produced under Church patronage.

I deeply appreciate (dare I say revere?) the great art and music that has come out of centuries of Church patronage...it feeds my soul...and yet all the other crap that goes along with it is deeply disturbing alongside the sublime fruits of these artists' work.

For me there has always been a disconnect--how to have this history and beauty and transcendence in my life (especially here in the young United States) while remaining apart from The Crap.  :)

Comment by Steph S. on April 13, 2012 at 10:01am

Q&A with Author Alain De Botton
Q: Is it possible to be a good person without religion?

A: The problem of the man without religion is that he forgets. We all know in theory what we should do to be good. The problem is that in practice, we forget. And we forget because the modern secular world always thinks that it is enough to tell someone something once (be good, remember the poor etc.) But all religions disagree here: they insist that if anyone is to stand a chance of remembering anything, they need reminders on a daily, perhaps even hourly basis.

Q: What do you think of the aggressive atheism we have seen in the past few years?

A: I am an atheist, but a gentle one. I don't feel the need to mock anyone who believes. I really disagree with the hard tone of some atheists who approach religion like a silly fairy tale. I am deeply respectful of religion, but I believe none of its supernatural aspects. So my position is perhaps unusual: I am at once very respectful and completely impious.

Q: Are you nostalgic for the deeply religious past?

A: Like many people, of course I feel nostalgic. How is it possible not to feel nostalgic when you look at 15th frescoes or the rituals of an ancient carnival? However, we have to ask: how should I respond to my nostalgia? My thought is that we can use it creatively, as the basis for a rebirth, for the creation of new things, for the creation of things that later generations will feel nostalgic about... So it frustrates me when people say things like, 'Well, they knew how to build in the 15th century, now it is impossible...' Why! Anything is possible. We should not sigh nostalgically over religion, we should learn from them. We should steal from them.

Q: If we were to replace religion with a secular equivalent, who would be our gurus?

A: We don't need a central structure. We are beyond the age of gurus and inspirational leaders. We are in the age of the Wiki structure. This means that it is up to all of us to look at religion and see what bits we can steal and place into the modern world. We might all contribute to the construction of new temples, not the government, but the concerned, interested individual. The salvation of the individual soul remains a serious problem--even when we dismiss the idea of God. In the 20th century, capitalism has really solved (in the rich West) the material problems of a significant portion of mankind. But the spiritual needs are still in chaos, with religion ceasing to answer the need. This is why I wrote my book, to show that there remains a new way: a way of filling the modern world with so many important lessons from religion, and yet not needing to return to any kind of occult spirituality.
Q: Don't you think that, in order to truly appreciate religious music and art, you have to be a believer--or, at least, don't you think that non-believers miss something important in the experience?

A: I am interested in the modern claim that we have now found a way to replace religion: with art. You often hear people say, 'Museums are our new churches'. It's a nice idea, but it's not true, and it's principally not true because of the way that museums are laid out and present art. They prevent anyone from having an emotional relationship with the works on display. They encourage an academic interest, but prevent a more didactic and therapeutic kind of contact. I recommend in my book that even if we don't believe, we learn to use art (even secular art) as a resource for comfort, identification, guidance and edification, very much what religions do with art.

http://www.amazon.com/Religion-Atheists-Non-believers-Guide-Uses/dp...

I also consider myself a gentle Atheist ... same as the author.

Comment by Steph S. on April 13, 2012 at 9:44am

I have to order this book on Amazon .. but I won't get to read it until this semester is over. Finals exams will be coming up soon and the lab finals as well.

 

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