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Reforming Counter-Apologetics

Dedicated to realizing the fundamental impulses that drive belief, and seeking secular parallels ~ creating a format for discussion that doesn't address apologetical arguments as much as it replaces the need for those arguments to begin with.

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Formulating a New Argument

Started by Park Bierbower. Last reply by Jedi Wanderer Jun 16, 2012. 11 Replies

I was listening to a podcast a few weeks ago, and they were covering the apologetical argument known as Pre-supposational Apologetics.  Its a clever argument, hard to refute if you're not already…Continue

Analytic thinking can decrease religious belief

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Steph S. Apr 27, 2012. 1 Reply

Analytic Thinking Can Decrease Religious Belief, Study ShowsJust using their "analytic" system of thinking…Continue

Impulse that drives belief -death anxiety?

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Grinning Cat Apr 4, 2012. 1 Reply

New University of Otago research suggests that when non-religious people think about their own death they become more consciously skeptical about religion, but unconsciously grow more receptive to…Continue

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The Accursed Argument (from lack of proof)

Started by Jedi Wanderer. Last reply by Jedi Wanderer Jan 8, 2012. 13 Replies

All of us should by now be intimately familiar with this argument. It is the foundation of the arguments used by a religious friend of mine that I met on MySpace and have argued extensively on the…Continue

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Comment by Jedi Wanderer on February 15, 2011 at 9:06am
I had thought of the exact same thing! We are just like domesticated apes. Like any other domesticated animal, our violent tendencies can be reduced but not eliminated, and we become more "institutionalized" as well so that we become dependent on the structure (self-)imposed on us. Were that structure to be removed, if only partially, we would be less adapted to cope with our new surroundings. But our structures also provide us with a terrific survival advantage. Surely this outweighs the downside, since by creating our own ecological niche we have a tool/weapon that other animals can't compete with. It makes us more competitive to be social and more able to cooperate with others of our species, but only up to a point. When we start pushing the limits of this strategy where the human species ruthlessly dominates all life on the planet rather than working symbiotically with it, and where we might end up undermining our very strategy, we need to start looking at alternatives.
Comment by Marc Draco on February 15, 2011 at 8:52am

Ah, eugenics!

 

Well, seems to me that we're not really that far advanced as to outbreed violence. The trouble is that violence is part of our survival mechanism and that not all people will try to remove it. In fact, if nature had its way, we would become more, not less violent since that is the way to ensure a fitter species survival.

 

Idiocracy comes to mind too.... stupid people breed more....

Comment by Park Bierbower on February 15, 2011 at 8:02am
So I'm curious~ I was thinking the other day about the notion that we try to breed violence out of ourselves at a young age, and what implications that it necessarily brings with it.  I guess the most interesting conclusion that I've come to is that we, as a species, are actively trying to domesticate ourselves.  I like that (there is evidence of that too) but I'm wondering if there is something else that one could conclude.  Anyone?
Comment by Jedi Wanderer on February 12, 2011 at 3:13pm
It looks like we have started making some real progress. Its getting to be a big project! Just wanted to share with the group two signs I saw outside of churrches recently. One was advertising that it was "a full Bible believing church", which I guess is code for preaching creationism. Its nice to know they have to speak in code and that they are worried about what happens when you only believe some parts of your dogma but not the parts which are falling out of favor. The other sign was "Yahoo! It Googles the mind what God has made!" Lol
Comment by Park Bierbower on February 11, 2011 at 4:25pm
@ Tara, maybe you would like to join my group "Literacy Matters" for people who like to speel corektly!
Comment by Jedi Wanderer on February 11, 2011 at 3:24pm
@Tara: Oh, less-than-perfect spelling is no biggie. Sorry for not taking it easy on you. ;-) Your contributions to the group are valuable. And you spelled appalling right, that's not an easy word to spell. And I agree with you, I think I will go back to saying octopuses.
Comment by RejuvenArt on February 11, 2011 at 11:25am
I've been watching the breaking news as it has been unfolding! I am so excited for them! Congratulations is definitely in order for the Egyptian people!
Comment by RejuvenArt on February 11, 2011 at 11:21am
@wanderer: Ah I know my spelling is appalling :) I'll work on that!
Comment by Jedi Wanderer on February 11, 2011 at 11:18am
@ Tara: Well there doesn't seem to be anything wrong with your eyes! ;-)



@ Park: You sure you want a girl with such atrocious spelling? What exactly is a dog bread? Sounds delicious. Ahhh, I amuse myself.



@ All: Mubarak has stepped down! I just heard. A new Egypt begins today! Congratulations to the Egyptian people.
Comment by RejuvenArt on February 11, 2011 at 11:14am

@park  

Wtf? lol Of course I am smart! There is a spark shining from my superbly brilliant mind.. for I am born of stardust and don't deny my evolution. ;) (mensa-pensa bs, you're going down!) Hook up huh? hmmm... I don't know about you/it/brown ;)... hehe (how about after dinner tonight?)

p.s. wtf 'octopersons?' lol dork ;P

 

There will be more to come as we do our research and fatten our brains with knowledge, questions, experiences, and for me personally... lots of wondering + the application of multiple fields of study!

 

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