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Recovering from Religion

Unless you were raised by atheist parents, you probably had some recovering to do when you left religion. The purpose of RR is to provide a landing place for people when they jump from religion. With local support groups throughout the US, Canada, UK, and Australia, and real-time resources accessible to everyone, RR is where to turn when faith has lost its luster.

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In what way are you still recovering from being brought up religious?

Started by Steph S.. Last reply by Richard C Brown Aug 30, 2014. 57 Replies

I was brought up in a fundamentalist family.Anyone still dealing with any issues from religion?Do you fear the result of coming out Atheist to your family?Any thoughts are welcome.Continue

Catholic Family / Atheist Wedding - HELP

Started by Megan. Last reply by tom sarbeck May 31, 2014. 4 Replies

Any one else out there still recovering from Catholic guilt??I come from an extremely Catholic family/upbringing. In 6 days I will be the first person in my entire extended family not to marry a Catholic in a Catholic Church.My biggest source of…Continue

Anyone still deal with anything like this?

Started by Starland Seay. Last reply by Matt Skaggs Aug 26, 2013. 27 Replies

One thing I have noticed is a tendency to "doubt" my new path in life. I still want to reach for the Bible sometimes. I still hesitate somewhat when someone mentions Pascal's "Wager"...LOL! Even though I know that science teaches this and that no…Continue

"Thief in the Night"

Started by cbenhamcox. Last reply by Luara Aug 18, 2013. 2 Replies

Last night I was reading Seth Andrew's book, Deconverted, and I almost fell out of my chair when he discussed being forced to watch the end times film from the 1970's call "A Thief in the Night."  He described some of the scenes, and I had a…Continue

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Comment by Dyslexic's DOG on February 19, 2013 at 4:27pm

By the way, one of my class mates, who was starting to believe in it and liked the buybull studies teacher, actually raised the matter of a couple of the contradictions in class, to which the teacher blankly stated the same as yourself, and called the existence of such contradictions as preposterous lies.  This stunned our mate and confirmed to him (because of numerous, obvious contradictions we found) that the teacher was indeed the only liar in the room.  

Comment by Dyslexic's DOG on February 19, 2013 at 4:16pm

LOL James, right from the very first book, the contradictions hit those who read it like a novel,  light on first day of creation (night and day already), yet Sun arrived on day 4, seems a bit weird.  That is why the buy bull creates atheists, this is supposedly inspired or dictated by an omnipotent, omniscient (all knowing and wise) super being.  How could it be so bad, stupid and even ugly.  Maybe this being isn't so omniscient after all.  This is the impression many reading it reach.  My best friend of 30 years is a devout Catholic, all his children had a strict Catholic schooling, yet their school allows free access to the buybull in the library which they have accessed and read without guidance.  All his children have gone past atheism to becoming anti-Christian.  I had no influence on them, yet his youngest, who didn't realize was an atheist, attacked the buybull in front of me, expecting a rebuttal from moi, since he considered me a devout Catholic like his dad, yet was shocked when I supported his hatred of it.  I know this is only anecdotal, though I've seen it played out many times and similar to my own experience where all my class who I informed of the contradictions when I discovered them are atheists as well.  Their indoctrination failed on all of us, because our privately gained knowledge allowed us to realize that they were cherry picking passages to avoid exposing contradictions. This made them look like charlatans to us and we distrust all religious clergy from that experience.  They are less trustworthy than sewer rats.

Comment by James M. Martin on February 19, 2013 at 7:03am

But, but, but...how can there be contradictions in the Buy Bull when as we all know it is the literal word of God?

Comment by Dyslexic's DOG on February 19, 2013 at 1:50am

I know of ex church ministers now atheists who would have not been ministers if they were allowed to read the bible unsupervised.

Their reading was so tightly controlled that one had his fingers hit if he tried to turn to a page that wasn't in the prescribed reading list for that particular lesson.  It was years before he discovered his first contradiction within the bible, where I discovered contradictions within the second day of reading it like a novel.

He was very upset and embarrassed to have been teaching such junk for years.  An embarrassment that likely wouldn't have occurred if he had free access to the bible and thus allowed to read it like a novel.

But, that won't happen is schools bent on indoctrination of young minds, because such freedom of access will counter their attempts at indoctrination.

Which is why our local Catholic school, that now allows free access to the bible for students, produces lots of atheists and very few, if any, theists.  Yes, they haven't realized the blunder made there.

It won't be long (numbers of devotees are rapidly diminishing) before they start restricting such access again.

For the church's survival.

Aye M8z!  :-D-

 

Comment by Dyslexic's DOG on February 19, 2013 at 1:18am

True James: Though, the call for Bibles is in secular schools where teaching of Creationism has been banned.  The non-exposure to biblical literature for appraisal of their fertile well nourished, scientific, skeptical minds, still leaves them open to indoctrination from outside their education.

As far as schools teaching creationism, well they do have bibles, though, students are often kept from browsing them without guidance (blinkered access) from religious elders, to prevent them from discovering the thousands of contradictions and conflicts.

Unguided access to the Bible in the early stages of indoctrination is dangerous to religion, due to the numerous discrepancies within.

This unguided access, without my priest's/elder's knowledge was their mistake and exposed their faults.  

This is what led me away from Christianity towards Atheism.

Aye M8! :-D- 

Comment by James M. Martin on February 18, 2013 at 10:59pm

"I know why many atheists actually want bibles in all schools, because, to read it with a young, skeptical, inquiring mind will likely produce an atheist."  Unfortunately, the schools that do have bibles for their students inculcate in them the idea that a Super Santa Claus, his son, and some spook run the universe and have since it was created 5,000 B.C., and that Adam saddled and rode small dinosaurs while Eve listened to a talking snake.  Then, these children grown up and teach the same delusional nonsense to their children.  That is how the bible is already used in some schools.  Worse, used in homes.

Comment by James M. Martin on February 18, 2013 at 10:52pm

@GOD'aye, there is a thing in law called the scintilla of evidence.  A speck.  If there is a speck of evidence, there is more than no evidence; it is brought up in appeals after trials to the court or a jury.  In Jesus's case, it is not only the miracles for which we haven't a scintilla of evidence, it is the man himself.  As far as miracles go, it is interesting that the Book of Acts paints a rival seer, soothsayer, and teacher, Simon Magus, so harshly.  Ever wonder why?  Because Simon was a rival to Reb Yeshua.  The authors of Acts would not have gone to such lengths to lambast Simon were they not afraid his magic would outdo that of Jesus.  Those of us who have actually read Simon Magus's gnostic "gospel" know it to be a literate, often beatifully expressed visionary work, at least as good as any book in the N.T.

Comment by Dyslexic's DOG on February 18, 2013 at 6:58am

Though I don't believe Jesus even performed a single miracle nor healing. There is simply no evidence that is good enough to verify any of his miracles.  As Carl Sagan put it: "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence". All the evidence for Jesus's miracles are anecdotal evidence(bible (accomplices in deception) and others) and hearsay (Saul/Paul, Josephus,  Pliny, etc...).

Extraordinary evidence would be:

1: A couple of expert witnesses examining each miracle to confirm no trickery was used by Jesus.

2: Two or more Doctors examining patients before and after healing miracles to confirm the person was actually sick and actually cured.

3: The resurrection would require a Doctor confirmed Death Certificate, witnessed by one or more fellow doctors and two or more Doctors confirming that the person has indeed returned to life.

Without any such evidence for any of Jesus's miracles.

They cannot possibly be considered as miracles by any court of law.

The Christians evidence for his miracles cannot be presented in a court of law as valid.

Legally, Jesus performed no miracles whatsoever!

Comment by Dyslexic's DOG on February 18, 2013 at 6:43am

You might think I hate Jesus by my avatar, but, no, I actually still have a soft spot for him.  He was like many others, indoctrinated into believing the Judaic god was benevolent.  He must have been lied to, from a young age to believe he was god's son.  I know a family who lied in the same way to their only son, telling him that he was chosen by god. They are in the church I left.  He still believes he has a special calling from god.  Similar to Jesus's delusion.

Comment by Dyslexic's DOG on February 18, 2013 at 6:32am

I think it was just after the story of the battle of Jericho that I really started to dislike this malevolent god, slaughtering an entire population, including innocents for the glorification of one now war criminal named Joshua.  Yes, massacre those innocent women, children and unborn in the name of god.  That story would be sickening to any rational person.

Not to mention the earlier flood which also killed millions of innocents because of a group of corrupt individuals.  Makes the god of the bible sound useless and mindless.  Surely there were much better ways for an (omniscient) all knowing (thus, knew all the perpetrators) to simply remove those it knew were it's enemies.

Such stupidity certainly doesn't deserve respect, nor worship from moi. 

 

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