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Recovering from Religion

Unless you were raised by atheist parents, you probably had some recovering to do when you left religion. The purpose of RR is to provide a landing place for people when they jump from religion. With local support groups throughout the US, Canada, UK, and Australia, and real-time resources accessible to everyone, RR is where to turn when faith has lost its luster.

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In what way are you still recovering from being brought up religious?

Started by Steph S.. Last reply by Richard C Brown Aug 30, 2014. 57 Replies

I was brought up in a fundamentalist family.Anyone still dealing with any issues from religion?Do you fear the result of coming out Atheist to your family?Any thoughts are welcome.Continue

Catholic Family / Atheist Wedding - HELP

Started by Megan. Last reply by tom sarbeck May 31, 2014. 4 Replies

Any one else out there still recovering from Catholic guilt??I come from an extremely Catholic family/upbringing. In 6 days I will be the first person in my entire extended family not to marry a Catholic in a Catholic Church.My biggest source of…Continue

Anyone still deal with anything like this?

Started by Starland Seay. Last reply by Matt Skaggs Aug 26, 2013. 27 Replies

One thing I have noticed is a tendency to "doubt" my new path in life. I still want to reach for the Bible sometimes. I still hesitate somewhat when someone mentions Pascal's "Wager"...LOL! Even though I know that science teaches this and that no…Continue

"Thief in the Night"

Started by cbenhamcox. Last reply by Luara Aug 18, 2013. 2 Replies

Last night I was reading Seth Andrew's book, Deconverted, and I almost fell out of my chair when he discussed being forced to watch the end times film from the 1970's call "A Thief in the Night."  He described some of the scenes, and I had a…Continue

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Comment by Richard Goscicki on October 20, 2009 at 6:37pm
the Bible is a euphemistically literal metaphorical representation of a deity that is unknowable and a mystery that no one has seen.

You said a mouthful, Julia. Beautiful. The only thing I don’t understand is how the hell did the church win over so many believers with lines like the above.
Comment by Richard Goscicki on October 20, 2009 at 6:35pm
You're not the only one. Evolution has wired the young to believe whatever elders tell them, i.e. Santa Claus.

Dawkins' Root of All Evil deals with the religious indoctrination of children. Excellent writing by a renowned scientist.
Comment by Kristi Leitholt on October 20, 2009 at 4:10pm
I totally bought the Adam and Eve thing, because God could do anything. And I ate up the apologetics from Answers in Genesis like candy. Yep...

I'm glad I can think for myself now.
Comment by Marshall on October 20, 2009 at 1:34pm
Couldn't agree more with you Richard. The whole Adam and Eve thing is so absurd that I cannot help but think believers in this tale have a disorder of some variety.
Comment by Richard Goscicki on October 20, 2009 at 12:11pm
Fun post, Jack. Also, we can confront believers with actual Biblical beliefs as well as quotes. Here’s what I mean: ask believers if they really believe that God made Eve from Adam’s rib.

Ask them to try to picture it in their mind. A spirit of some sort, omnipotent, of course, comes to Earth. The Bible says man is in His image, so He’s got two arms, two legs and a head. So the entity comes down from heaven and creates Adam by pointing his finger at him and declaring, “Let there be man.” So far, so good.

And so it was. Adam awoke rubbing his eyes and moaning, “Where am I?” Gen 24: 13-15.

And God sayeth: “Don’t worry about that. I forgot to make you a playmate so you can have some fun,” and God rubbed His eyes wondering what to do. “Sweet Jesus,” sayeth God, “there aren’t any sticks or rocks around, so I’ll have to extract one of your ribs, if you don’t mind.”

“OK,” sayeth Adam, “but don’t get ideas about making her a wardrobe with frilly dresses and tight designer jeans. It’ll be more fun going au natural.”

And God sayeth, “Sure, I get you. Just don’t eat of that tree over there because I can’t give you everything.”

“Not everything? That’s fine. Just so the lady and I can frolic and gambol in this beauteous garden.” Sam 3: 50-149.

And God did createth the lovely Eve. As he leaveth He sayeth, “Have fun kids. Be fruitful and multiply and don’t fuck around with any talking snakes.”

For my whole life, it’s always been a mystery to me how people can buy this stuff. That’s the greatest mystery of the Bible to me.
Comment by Jack Russell on October 19, 2009 at 11:00pm
I love the idea of the god virus. I totally agree that you don't defeat a virus with an argument, you beat it with an anti-virus. How do you get an anti-virus, simple take the virus, change it a little and put it back in. If you want to be aggressive, you tweak work with its native DNA.
Now for Deconverting Christians that is so easy. Agree with them, but give them back some of the messed up bible DNA. Then when they are forced to look up what you said, they get even more messed up. The bible does all the work for you. Tada!

I have a bunch of successes in my blog on great deconversion tactics.
Stuff like... (all from the bible)
the real 10 commandments, not the smashed ones,
God is love, that is why your god killed 42 kids because a couple of kids called a guy baldheaded
Jesus disciples bought and carried swords
Jesus kills pigs and is chased out of town, Jesus kills tree because it did not have a fig (they were out of season), he and his disciples steal grain/corn

ooohh there is soooo much there to play with. Poor Christians deconvert so fast, and they keep coming back to you.

Remember, you can deconvert more with the bible than with science. And the recovering religionists I have talked to have some of the best stories that affected them from the bible.

Have fun, share the bible ...

Comment by Richard Goscicki on October 19, 2009 at 1:53pm
It’s interesting to consider the power of the God virus. The virus can grow into a tumor and eventually take over the victim’s entire life and reason d’etre.

What else but a God virus could say to an infected person, “Those people over there don’t believe in me. They either are infected by another religion or they’re overly skeptical. I want you to strap some bombs around your waist and blow them up. Don’t forget to yell, ‘God is great,’ when you do it. Other followers will be very impressed and grow stronger in their faith.”?

It’s as if the virus knows that if it doesn’t replicate it’ll go extinct like a thousand other religions of the past.
Comment by Darrel Ray on October 19, 2009 at 8:21am
Julia, I think Richard is on target with his comment. The key, as I say in my book, is to respond to the human not the virus inside the person. You cannot argue with a virus. The more you try, the more frustrating it is for both of you. If she had a cold, you would not argue with her about feeling bad or feeling sick. As Richard says, focus on her humanity. If she cannot relate without her virus, then there may not be a basis for a relationship. In some ways it is like alcoholism. The alcoholic has a relationship with the bottle first, humans second. Religious people have a relationship with their virus, and secondarily to other humans. Their filters are so strong that they literally cannot relate to people except through the virus.
Comment by Richard Goscicki on October 19, 2009 at 12:33am
That's easy, Julia. Just focus on your common interest and leave religion alone. Your friend sounds irremediable. If she’s been on her knees praying to God her whole life, it doesn’t look like she’ll stand up now. You just can’t give her a vaccine when you’re dealing with the God virus.
Comment by Darrel Ray on October 10, 2009 at 11:23pm
Just spoke in Portland this week about my book and 7 people stayed after to talk about getting an RR group started. Hope we can see on or two in the area soon. If you know anyone in the Portland area who might be interested, let them know.

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