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Recovering from Religion

Unless you were raised by atheist parents, you probably had some recovering to do when you left religion. The purpose of RR is to provide a landing place for people when they jump from religion. With local support groups throughout the US, Canada, UK, and Australia, and real-time resources accessible to everyone, RR is where to turn when faith has lost its luster.

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In what way are you still recovering from being brought up religious?

Started by Steph S.. Last reply by James M. Martin Jun 14. 14 Replies

I was brought up in a fundamentalist family.Anyone still dealing with any issues from religion?Do you fear the result of coming out Atheist to your family?Any thoughts are welcome.Continue

Catholic Family / Atheist Wedding - HELP

Started by Megan. Last reply by Tom Sarbeck May 31. 4 Replies

Any one else out there still recovering from Catholic guilt??I come from an extremely Catholic family/upbringing. In 6 days I will be the first person in my entire extended family not to marry a Catholic in a Catholic Church.My biggest source of…Continue

Anyone still deal with anything like this?

Started by Starland Victor Seay. Last reply by Matt Skaggs Aug 26, 2013. 27 Replies

One thing I have noticed is a tendency to "doubt" my new path in life. I still want to reach for the Bible sometimes. I still hesitate somewhat when someone mentions Pascal's "Wager"...LOL! Even though I know that science teaches this and that no…Continue

"Thief in the Night"

Started by cbenhamcox. Last reply by Luara Aug 18, 2013. 2 Replies

Last night I was reading Seth Andrew's book, Deconverted, and I almost fell out of my chair when he discussed being forced to watch the end times film from the 1970's call "A Thief in the Night."  He described some of the scenes, and I had a…Continue

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Comment by Richard Goscicki on June 25, 2010 at 2:25pm
cuddling a cat more than the theist because the universe holds no meaning other than the emotions we can generate

Atheists can understand our common phylogeny with cats. They are mammals like we are. Once evolution is contemplated, we appreciate our common Gaian past.

Believers in Christ and Allah, however, miss this important consideration. It's as if religion has diverted and perverted the connection to nature and the animals. That's why humans are pushing the other animals off the planet like bacteria in a Petri dish.
Comment by Rudy Ruddell on June 25, 2010 at 1:46pm
"I trust there could be many overly rational atheist that claim that cuddling a cat is meaningless and emotional and thus bad. :)"
I see the smiley face so I know you are speaking tongue in cheek, but it inspires me to write nonetheless.
An atheist relies on emotions such as from cuddling a cat more than the theist because the universe holds no meaning other than the emotions we can generate. Atheists have no God to give them purpose. Atheists are not robots who just sit and compute; they are sentient beings and as such seek out pleasurable emotions. Of course, I cannot speak for all atheists, but my experience with atheists is that they tend to be cerebral but passionate and compassionate. I have met many atheists at a Universal Unitarian Church where they enjoy fellowship together. The is the meetup.com website that allows organization of actual meetings to discuss various topics. I want to go to these meetings, but it would cause more marital problems than I am willing to endure right now. The atheist internet-driven movement is just in its infancy. I think as time goes on more atheistic fellowship will occur where we can discuss topics and feelings and cats.
Comment by Mriana on June 25, 2010 at 10:47am
And that is one of the things I'm talking about. :)
Comment by Mriana on June 24, 2010 at 3:03pm
"To them being human is about logic and rational and emotions is something you do at home not at a humanist or atheist meeting unless it is the feelings of talking bad about the enemy."

Sounds like Fundamngelicals, except they rarely do emotions at home.

Anyway, you don't have to do what I was saying with anyone. In fact, I think it's better if you don't. You can just go out into the woods or whatever your favourite part of nature is, sit, relax, and just experience it. Just you and nature or you and your pet. You don't need anything or anyone more than that.
Comment by Mriana on June 24, 2010 at 10:23am
Fred,
I wasn't talking about religious feelings, I was talking about feelings of transcendence. These feelings the religious call "God" and others call it "spiritual" and Sam Harris has yet another, doesn't really matter, but these feelings are caused by external stimuli- such as music, smells, nature, even a hug- can trigger chemicals in the brain that cause these feelings. That is what is part of the human, part of being human. Not religion, not a god or whatever other concept a human being can conjure.

Whether or not I believe in feeling jealousy or revenge has nothing to do with it. One doesn't have to believe in order to have feelings. Humans have feelings. They might not have the same feelings, but they still have feelings, whether they believe in them or not. It's all neuro-chemical triggered by external stimuli. I'm not sure how to make it any simpler.
Comment by Shelby Fisher on June 24, 2010 at 1:00am
For me, these words are tricky. Trying to put a tag on how I behave or what I strive toward mixes me up, eventually. Thoughts, feelings, behaviors, everything- changes.
Spirituality means nothing for me, but I think I sometimes understand what some people mean by it.
Usually, to me, it seems to mean that someone tries to be aware of themselves, others, and the possibility of the unknown. Something like that.
If it helps someone then I support it and try to respect it. Sometimes the word makes my skin crawl.
Comment by Mriana on June 23, 2010 at 9:35pm
Well, I have to admit I spent some time letting go of adding words to humanism for the longest time myself, Fred. For a while, I said, "Religious humanist" then it was spiritual humanist and then one day I thought, CFI is full of humanists, secular or otherwise and Paul Kurtz even said he did not see the necessity of adding words to humanism, in an essay he wrote, for various reasons. See, CFI is involved with many things- the Jesus Seminar for example. Just because one is a humanist does not mean they do not do any critical analysis of religion. One can research and study everything and anything they want as a humanist. So the need to say more than "humanist" is not necessary. I'm not religious, even if I study religion and things related to religion- the psychology of religion. Being spiritual and having feelings of transcendence is part of being human. As Jeaneane Fowler said in her book "Humanism: Beliefs and Practices" she does not believe we can deny such feelings because they are part of the human condition. Humanism is all about the human condition, so any other words, to me, is superfluous.

That's just my POV. Take it for what it is worth.
Comment by Rudy Ruddell on June 23, 2010 at 8:28pm
I always learn something when I engage in discussions here because I usually have to Google something. Today I had to look up pietism and flow meditation.
Pietism, in a nutshell, means "be good." It means do the right thing that helps, not hinders rather than be ceremonious. I am not sure I see the connection to spiritualism except that when one does the right thing the lion's share of the time, one feels good about one's self most of the time, which is sort of an altered state of consciousness (a high), which I associate with spirituality.
Flow meditation is what I do when I get online and engage in atheist discussions on Facebook and Atheistnexus. Time flies while I am doing this activity. Per Wikipedia a flow meditation:
" state of concentration or complete absorption with the activity at hand and the situation. The idea of flow is identical to the feeling of being in the zone or in the groove. The flow state is an optimal state of intrinsic motivation, where the person is fully immersed in what he or she is doing. This is a feeling everyone has at times, characterized by a feeling of great absorption, engagement, fulfillment, and skill—and during which temporal concerns (time, food, ego-self, etc.) are typically ignored."
Most activities I perform I do so to accomplish something. What I am doing now, I do because I enjoy the process and I do not get paid for it.
Comment by Rudy Ruddell on June 22, 2010 at 8:40pm
Although I realize there is a secular definition of spirituality, I prefer to stay away from it when referring to myself because spirituality is much more often associated with religion than with atheism.

To me it seems spirituality is just having an altered state of consciousness that can be reached by fasting, nature walks, meditating, taking mushrooms or LSD, or even marijuana. If an altered state of consciousness can help you look at life in a different way than one is accustomed to without risking one's health, I am for it. That being said, I do not think spirituality is necessary for happiness. I don't think that the Buddhist monk achieve some higher level of existence by meditating. I think they just get high. I prefer a normal state of consciousness because I think best that way.
Comment by Mriana on June 22, 2010 at 5:55pm
In addition to what I said about pietistic, I think one is safer with the word "spiritual" because it doesn't conger up as many religious images, esp if a person has a broad knowledge of what it means to be spiritual. That's just my two cents.
 

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