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Comment by James M. Martin on February 18, 2013 at 10:52pm

@GOD'aye, there is a thing in law called the scintilla of evidence.  A speck.  If there is a speck of evidence, there is more than no evidence; it is brought up in appeals after trials to the court or a jury.  In Jesus's case, it is not only the miracles for which we haven't a scintilla of evidence, it is the man himself.  As far as miracles go, it is interesting that the Book of Acts paints a rival seer, soothsayer, and teacher, Simon Magus, so harshly.  Ever wonder why?  Because Simon was a rival to Reb Yeshua.  The authors of Acts would not have gone to such lengths to lambast Simon were they not afraid his magic would outdo that of Jesus.  Those of us who have actually read Simon Magus's gnostic "gospel" know it to be a literate, often beatifully expressed visionary work, at least as good as any book in the N.T.

Comment by GOD'aye on February 18, 2013 at 6:58am

Though I don't believe Jesus even performed a single miracle nor healing. There is simply no evidence that is good enough to verify any of his miracles.  As Carl Sagan put it: "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence". All the evidence for Jesus's miracles are anecdotal evidence(bible (accomplices in deception) and others) and hearsay (Saul/Paul, Josephus,  Pliny, etc...).

Extraordinary evidence would be:

1: A couple of expert witnesses examining each miracle to confirm no trickery was used by Jesus.

2: Two or more Doctors examining patients before and after healing miracles to confirm the person was actually sick and actually cured.

3: The resurrection would require a Doctor confirmed Death Certificate, witnessed by one or more fellow doctors and two or more Doctors confirming that the person has indeed returned to life.

Without any such evidence for any of Jesus's miracles.

They cannot possibly be considered as miracles by any court of law.

The Christians evidence for his miracles cannot be presented in a court of law as valid.

Legally, Jesus performed no miracles whatsoever!

Comment by GOD'aye on February 18, 2013 at 6:43am

You might think I hate Jesus by my avatar, but, no, I actually still have a soft spot for him.  He was like many others, indoctrinated into believing the Judaic god was benevolent.  He must have been lied to, from a young age to believe he was god's son.  I know a family who lied in the same way to their only son, telling him that he was chosen by god. They are in the church I left.  He still believes he has a special calling from god.  Similar to Jesus's delusion.

Comment by GOD'aye on February 18, 2013 at 6:32am

I think it was just after the story of the battle of Jericho that I really started to dislike this malevolent god, slaughtering an entire population, including innocents for the glorification of one now war criminal named Joshua.  Yes, massacre those innocent women, children and unborn in the name of god.  That story would be sickening to any rational person.

Not to mention the earlier flood which also killed millions of innocents because of a group of corrupt individuals.  Makes the god of the bible sound useless and mindless.  Surely there were much better ways for an (omniscient) all knowing (thus, knew all the perpetrators) to simply remove those it knew were it's enemies.

Such stupidity certainly doesn't deserve respect, nor worship from moi. 

Comment by GOD'aye on February 18, 2013 at 6:22am

It was studying the Bible, privately, without my assigned elder, thinking it would make me a better Christian, that led me away from believing.

I decided to read it like any book, from start to finish and ignore the references my elder told me to use.  I wasn't far into the Old Testament before I realized that what I was reading was naive junk, not really worth belief.  The god I thought was omni-benevolent, actually turned out to be an omni-malevolent, narcissistic megalomaniac.  Guilty of extremely stupid crimes against the humans it supposedly loved.   I know why many atheists actually want bibles in all schools, because, to read it with a young, skeptical, inquiring mind will likely produce an atheist.   Because the bible is really an incredibly stupid book. 

Comment by Steph S. on January 6, 2013 at 11:24pm

Thank you Richard! Together we can recover from religion.

Comment by Richard C Brown on January 6, 2013 at 9:02pm

1/6/2013.We are ALL Recovering in some form.Let US Recover Together!!Together We Can !!

Comment by James M. Martin on January 1, 2013 at 9:50am

Paul, the Mayans were astronomers and had a pletora of gods and goddesses (e.g. Ixchel, goddess of fertility and therefore a cognate to the Aphrodite mythos), and they managed to integrate their pantheon in a way that correspondend to the heavens.  There is a ruin of an observatory at Chichen-Itza.  Crop success and thus survival of the species depended on propitiation of these gods. Astronomy's study did not benefit them, although your suggestion comes from a completely different perspective, from a few centuries' advancements in science.

Comment by Paul K on January 1, 2013 at 5:55am

Study the history of Astronomy, a great way to debunk the gods!

Comment by Paul K on January 1, 2013 at 5:52am

One tool I use is Astronomy. This alone has proven to be very useful, just by looking through an eyepiece brings up many question. It has led me to studying the history of Man and all things in-between. 5 years ago I made this decision in my life and never looked back, so to say. This so far has been the best journey of discovery, my question are answered through fact and evidence. Boy was I pissed when I started to discover! I was mad with myself for being deceived all those years, and that is part of my recovery. Acceptance for who I am.

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