Recovering from Religion

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Recovering from Religion

Unless you were raised by atheist parents, you probably had some recovering to do when you left religion. The purpose of RR is to provide a landing place for people when they jump from religion. With local support groups throughout the US, Canada, UK, and Australia, and real-time resources accessible to everyone, RR is where to turn when faith has lost its luster.

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In what way are you still recovering from being brought up religious?

Started by Steph S.. Last reply by Richard C Brown Aug 30. 57 Replies

I was brought up in a fundamentalist family.Anyone still dealing with any issues from religion?Do you fear the result of coming out Atheist to your family?Any thoughts are welcome.Continue

Catholic Family / Atheist Wedding - HELP

Started by Megan. Last reply by Tom Sarbeck May 31. 4 Replies

Any one else out there still recovering from Catholic guilt??I come from an extremely Catholic family/upbringing. In 6 days I will be the first person in my entire extended family not to marry a Catholic in a Catholic Church.My biggest source of…Continue

Anyone still deal with anything like this?

Started by Starland Victor Seay. Last reply by Matt Skaggs Aug 26, 2013. 27 Replies

One thing I have noticed is a tendency to "doubt" my new path in life. I still want to reach for the Bible sometimes. I still hesitate somewhat when someone mentions Pascal's "Wager"...LOL! Even though I know that science teaches this and that no…Continue

"Thief in the Night"

Started by cbenhamcox. Last reply by Luara Aug 18, 2013. 2 Replies

Last night I was reading Seth Andrew's book, Deconverted, and I almost fell out of my chair when he discussed being forced to watch the end times film from the 1970's call "A Thief in the Night."  He described some of the scenes, and I had a…Continue

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Comment by kara on December 15, 2012 at 11:04am

Dawkins was raised Anglican and remained so until his late teens actually. I find Dawkns to be a very warm and understanding character I find his approach to Atheism to be very inspirational.

Comment by Tabitha McCoy on December 15, 2012 at 10:26am

Hmmm....well, everyone here seems to make a good point. Dawkins does seem nice, but I have a hard time seeing people outside my box of "people are good at heart" thing. I've seen that video--I think Dawkins could have addressed the issue of the man being emotionally attached to his religion. I also think that Dawkins grew up in a household where there wasn't any religion, so he's on the outside looking in. From someone who's been raised around religions for so long, I can understand why the other man was attached to his "Lord and Savior Jesus Christ".

Comment by kara on December 15, 2012 at 10:02am

@Kara ward :P

well isn't this odd I can't remember ever having me another kara spelt with a K we're quite rare :) athough I've never been wiccan, things could get confusing!

Comment by Richard Goscicki on December 15, 2012 at 9:38am

I am so grateful to have you, each one, as a friend.

I can only say, Joan, I hope you include me on your list.  I haven’t been very active lately as I’m back on pain killers.  The Paget’s is coming out of remission and it seriously curtails my activity.

About the subject at hand, to pitch in my two cents, I feel that any criticism of Dr. Dawkins is conspicuously undeserved.  He does get surly now and them but rightly so.  He’s done more for the atheist movement than anybody.  Consider how he filled the void when Carl Sagan passed away—and now Hitchens.  If there’s ever a new religion based on the revelations of science (as Sagan repeatedly advocated) Dawkins will go down as an early saint. 

 

I remember Dawkins getting testy with a Notre Dame fuddy-duddy during a debate.  The foppish dandy from the philosophy department with the thick Irish brogue ended his long-winded monologue with the line, “it all ends with Christ.”  (Something like that.) 

Needless to say, Dawkins put him in his place.  After all the celestial high jinks, he simply said, “how local.” (That’s class.)

In my opinion any criticism of the great professor and author is an example of attacking the messenger. 

Comment by Mary O'Grady on December 15, 2012 at 9:22am

I don't want to develop a thick skin. I want to be myself, and to be treated as I treat others, with a reasonable degree of sensitivity. I won't voluntarily deal with unkind, abrasive people, no matter how clever they are believed to be.

Comment by Joan Denoo on December 15, 2012 at 8:45am
James, Alice, and Kara, you convince me rationality negates empathy and empathy negates rationality. It is a matter of balancing the two. One person cannot be all things to all people; finding strength and developing understanding presents the tasks at hand. I can also benefit by understanding weaknesses and learning from them.
Alice, you prove, once again, you have wisdom beyond your years.
Kara, you correctly observe, "What was he supposed to do, encourage the man in his delusion? That would have been far more cruel in the long run."
James, your keen observations help keep me grounded.
I am so grateful to have you, each one, as a friend.
Comment by James M. Martin on December 15, 2012 at 8:13am

@ Alice, I sure do agree with the statement that rationality negates empathy and vice-versa.  I have to work on balancing those two.

Comment by Alice on December 15, 2012 at 3:49am

Dawkins has lead a privileged life.  He is a matter of fact man, not well versed in emotional response.  He has also achieved a lot in his own field of evolutionary biology and in addition to this in his educational role at Oxford to promote science to the public.  He has gone above and beyond to educate the world about the facts of reality - and to my mind he has done this to the best of his ability - achieving a lot in more than his birth country.  Again his ability is hampered by his limited life experience, as being very privileged and lacking skills to respond empathically to others.  I saw somewhere that rationally negates empathy and vice versa.  So when someone is particularly rational they find it more difficult to be empathic, and conversely when someone is empathic they find if more difficult to be rational.  We all have our gifts, strengths and weaknesses.

Comment by Joan Denoo on December 15, 2012 at 1:56am

Kara and Alice, I understand your position on Dawkins; he could have said something to acknowledge the man's pain and cognitive dissonance he experienced and then make his honest statement. Dawkins didn't acknowledge the man's pain nor Rebecca's. I  experienced those episodes as being harsh. Brief enough? 

Comment by Kara Ward on December 15, 2012 at 1:07am

I agree with Alice, I've seen that clip but there's really nothing abrasive about it. If he had called the man a name I could understand that being abrasive, but he was completely factual and honest. What was he supposed to do, encourage the man in his delusion? That would have been far more cruel in the long run.

Here's the loaded question: What SHOULD he have said? And please keep it brief. :-P

 

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