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An eternal question, what is the purpose of life?, occupied philosophers’ thoughts throughout history. Stone pictographs reveal even primitive peoples reflected on this query. Each one has the capacity to define his or her personal thinking about politics, economics and religion.

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"Tax Free" - a Music Video by Betty Bowers, Music by Joni Mitchell

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Loren Miller yesterday. 5 Replies

I can hear it now: "Wait a minute!  What is a music video doing in a group called, 'Politics, Economics and Religion?'  Betty Bowers is more about satire and parody than any of those issues.  Shouldn't this be in another group?"And I have to answer…Continue

Tags: church, Tax Free, Joni Mitchell, Betty Bowers

Controversial Recovering From Religion Hotline a Hot Commodity

Started by Bertold Brautigan. Last reply by Loren Miller on Thursday. 4 Replies

According to Valerie Tarico, business is hot and heavy at the new Recovering from Religion Hotline. If so, this is…Continue

Tags: escaping religion

Using the Legal System to Fight Factory Farms - Michele Merkel (TEDxManhattan)

Started by Loren Miller on Thursday. 0 Replies

Think your food and/or farming isn't political?  Think again.  Michele Merkel has been up against the corporate factory farm system, initially with the EPA and later as an independent campaigner when the EPA caved to corporate pressure.  In the…Continue

Tags: EPA, farms, factory, , Michele, Merkel", TED

Atheists: In godlessness we trust (CBS News)

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Alan Perlman Apr 19. 4 Replies

A Sunday morning in church is not in the cards for those who say they're "beyond belief" -- beyond belief in the God of Scripture, anyway. And for some, the abandonment of their faith wasn't easy. Our Cover Story now from Mo Rocca:Visit Jackson,…Continue

Tags: CBS, atheism, Sunday Morning, Openly Secular, CBS News

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Comment by tom sarbeck on July 8, 2014 at 2:03pm

USA has been invaded by oligarchs and the people have allowed it to happen, even encouraged it.

Joan, prepare to be not disillusioned, but illusioned more accurately.

The oligarchs were here at America's founding. Here are a few of the words that two of them spoke during the 1787 Constitutional Convention.

Alexander Hamilton on June 18:

The people are turbulent and changing; they seldom judge or determine right. Give therefore to the rich and well-born a distinct and permanent share in the government. They will check the unsteadiness of the mass of the people, and as they cannot receive any advantage by a change, they therefore will ever maintain good government.

And James Madison on June 26:

In framing a system we wish to last for ages, we should not lose sight of the changes the ages will bring. An increase of population will increase the proportion who labor under all the hardships of life and secretly sigh for a more equal distribution of its blessings. These may in time outnumber those who are placed above feelings of indigence. According to the equal laws of suffrage, the power will slide into the hands of the former. ... Landholders ought to have a share in the government, to support these invaluable interests and check the other. It ought to be formed as to protect the minority of the opulent against the majority.

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For more, a whole lot more, read James Loewen's Lies My Teacher Told Me or the better-known  Howard Zinn's A Peoples History....

If you want to wade into the deep water, James Madison's Records of the 1787 Federal Convention  are on line. I have only minutes to write just now, but if you say you want to look at them I will find their URL's.

Comment by Joan Denoo on July 8, 2014 at 8:11am

Grinning Cat, this is indeed good news. What do these countries tell us? 

USA has been invaded by oligarchs and the people have allowed it to happen, even encouraged it. The christian, obedient, submissive, docile population sat in front of tv sets watching reality tv while our forests were cut, our soils were contaminated, our air polluted and the people just sat, drank their beer and pop and ate sugar/fat foods pumped out babies as fast as they could incubate, and got lazy, fat, and spoiled rotten.

Well, oligarchs, there is a conspiracy rising from the depths of our spirited founding fathers and mothers and the pot is beginning to steam. USA lost primacy because we stopped being courageous, inquisitive, exploratory, inventive, and we forgot how to work hard. We enjoy the benefits of other people's thinking and action. 

We raise up a gaggle of youngin's who expect to have all the electrical gadgets that previous generations invented, they think the Earth owes them a living even as we may have reached the tipping point for survival of living things because of our mismanagement of our rich resources. 

We have the same sun as Australia, Germany, England and all the other countries that have gone solar. Our dear, loving, caring oligarchs have prevented leaving fossil fuels behind, they even don't want new technology in to impose on their domain. 

There is a man and woman in north Idaho who have invented a highway that produces energy! Can you imagine such a thing. I used to call them lunatics. Well, we need more of those lunatics to rise up and make things happen. 

Solar Roadways

Comment by Grinning Cat on July 8, 2014 at 1:17am

That is good news about solar power!

Related, from Australia: "Solar has won. Even if coal were free to burn, power stations couldn't compete" (The Guardian)

"Last week, for the first time in memory, the wholesale price of electricity in Queensland fell into negative territory – in the middle of the day.... Prices were deflated throughout the week, largely because of the influence of one of the newest, biggest power stations in the state – rooftop solar."

Comment by Joan Denoo on July 8, 2014 at 12:50am

Loren, The Koch Brothers do what they do best, propagandize their goods and reputations. They buy their way into respectability, ignoring the costs to the environment or impacts on people's lives. They need to be held accountable for the exploitation of workers around the globe, the manipulation of our government, and I am too tired to continue my rant. That will give me something to do tomorrow. 

Meanwhile, have you noticed the beautiful news coming out of countries that are going solar and other green ways of doing things? 

"Germany generated over half its electricity demand from solar for the first time ever on 9 June, and the UK, basking in the sunniest weather of summer during the longest days of the year, nearly doubled its 2013 peak solar power output at the solstice weekend.

"France, Italy, Denmark and other countries are also believed to have generated record amounts in June."

If we could just get the pubic to realize the oil industries and Koch Brothers tell lies and manufacture propaganda that is against our self-interest, we might get somewhere. 

The notion of bringing more fossil fuel onto the markets, and burning more of that lethal stuff creating more CO2, is ludicrous. Cap and trade is no solution, it is a way for the wealthy to continue to have benefits from an energy source that needs to end. 

UK and Germany break solar power records

Comment by Joan Denoo on July 8, 2014 at 12:01am

Grinning Cat, you stated it exactly as I think it. An individual's health care plan is private and not to be influenced by the employer. To do so is like the old days when employers could discriminate against women and men considered too old to get a job, or against homosexuals, or, as in the earlier days, married women could not get teaching jobs. Such discrimination is just plain bigotry. The color of skin, the age of the person, sexual orientation and marital status is none of the business of employers, and certainly, women denied access to total health care is outrageous. Pinching bottoms, squeezing breasts, and denying total health care for women are events long out of date.  

Comment by Joan Denoo on July 7, 2014 at 11:53pm

What is so difficult to understand? We have too many people with too few dollars to get the economy moving. What will it take to prime the pumps and get the financial engine going  without the starts, stops, hiccups that occur now? 

We need an enormous public investment in basic infrastructure and in a transition to a sustainable economy.

This is an effort that warrants financing with larger deficits. This investment in improvements will produce the infrastructure that is costing us money, time and effort to patch up and make do as exists at the present time. By taxing billionaires their fair share, whose activities caused the financial collapses in the first place, will benefit all. It is a far better way to spend money than bailing out failed banks and businesses. 

This effort should be a multi-year scaled project with an ongoing program of economic renewal that puts people to work as it improves our highways, incubates domestic technologies, restores rotting infrastructures, makes the U.S. more resilient in the face of sea level rise, and makes the economy more productive and competitive.

Comment by Grinning Cat on June 30, 2014 at 1:41pm

Relevant to the Hobby Lobby ruling:

Bosses should not be able to impose their religious beliefs on their employees. [with exterior of US Supreme Court building](from The Reprimand Project -- "common sense messages to level the playing field as the GOP wages its legislative wars on Constitutional rights and law-abiding citizens.")

Comment by Loren Miller on June 22, 2014 at 9:35am

Toggling between CBS Sunday Morning and ABC News This Week, I caught an interesting commercial - PROMOTING KOCH INDUSTRIES!!!  I'm going to take a guess and say that the Kochs have finally figured out that a healthy portion of the general public have discovered that they exist ... and may not be too happy about that either.  So now Koch Industries is doing some happy-happy / joy-joy feel-good commercials on Sunday morning television.

It should go without saying that I hope they don't work!

Comment by Loren Miller on June 16, 2014 at 1:56pm

A little something which my daily dose of the Daily Kos offered me today:

Harvard Business Review calls bullshit on today's "capitalists"

Comment by Loren Miller on June 16, 2014 at 1:13pm

I think the saving grace here is that:

  1. Elon Musk has enough money that he can pretty much do as he pleases and
  2. He seems to want to do some genuine good with his bread ... unlike the Adelson - Koch jackasses.

As to the business about his patents, I've been discussing that among other topics on a car board for the past week or so, and the overall impression of the participants appears to be largely positive.

 
 
 

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