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Comment by Joan Denoo on October 2, 2012 at 10:38pm

Timeline for the Crusades and Christian Holy War to c.1350

Is it not interesting that when we discuss religion, discussions of pain, torture, domination, and so much hate whether on the part of those who crucify christians, to those christians who burned, drowned, cut off noses, invaded in the countless Inquisitions. Underlaying all this blood and guts was control, power, greed, egos thinly veiled as devotion to their gods. They believe they are entitled to land, people, treasure and have the right to dominate any who got in their way. 

I don't find stuff like that when I read about agnostics, anti-theists, atheists, Brights, freethinkers, humanists, secular humanists, skeptics, or spiritual humanists. Have you ever read or heard of violent supporters of these beliefs? A lot of them suffer at the hands of theists ... and non-believers certainly have been called all kinds of vile things. 

Maybe we are just too lazy, or disinterested in such values. As for myself, getting up in the morning offers me opportunities beyond imagination, and I go to bed at night satisfied with my day. Perhaps I just have it too easy and don't know those who have a more difficult life than I. I do know I laugh when I think how ridiculous all these theists sound when they prattle.  Perhaps Ihould wear a mask to hide my disdain. 

In the meantime, I had an absolutely delicious bowl of clam chowder today. 

Comment by Loren Miller on October 2, 2012 at 10:02pm

I am I, indeed.

Fuck with me at your peril, because I will FUCK BACK, and I will not be pleasant about it.

Comment by Greg LeGore on October 2, 2012 at 9:29pm

Here's a solid reference:  http://www.roman-colosseum.info/roman-life/roman-crucifixion.htm

Comment by Greg LeGore on October 2, 2012 at 9:27pm

sk8eycat, I think that the vertical post remained, as you might expect, in the ground.  But the horizontal post, to which the wrists were nailed, was re-used; apparently the condemned were made to carry it.   More proof of the veracity of the point that, to do really insane, evil things, one must be deluded (in this case by religion).

Comment by sk8eycat on October 2, 2012 at 8:55pm

Joan, my late friend, Judith Hayes, wrote something about the  story of Jesus having to carry his own cross to the execution site (which is silly for many reasons, mainly because the Romans built the crosses ON site), and the exhortation to new Christians to "take up your cross, and follow Christ."  Plus the morbid Catholic ritual of the Stations of the Cross.

She asked, "What if he had refused to carry the cross?"  "You wanna crucify me?  Fine.  YOU carry the cross."

Imagine...

Comment by Joan Denoo on October 2, 2012 at 8:06pm

Faith is the surrender of the mind

Isn't the religious imperative to surrender, yield, obey, let go-let god, turn the other cheek, crucify yourself in imitation of the crucified christ?

No wonder grown-up problems don't get solved, unresolved conflicts don't get resolved.

Comment by Liz on October 2, 2012 at 12:20pm

Yay, Pennsylvania!  I'm glad the law didn't make it through - we Jerseyans were casting nervous glances at our neighbor state!

Comment by Joan Denoo on October 2, 2012 at 12:05pm

A fellow asked me some questions and here are my answers:
"Who are you?" I am I.
"Why are you here?" To participate in life.
"Where are you going to?" I shall dance in star dust, just as you.
"You have nothing to navigate by," I have stars, constellations, electromagnetism, forces of nature.
"because it's all relative to you being the center of the Universe," I am not the center of the universe, I exist in the universe with all that implies. I am part of it all, I exist, not superior to or inferior to anybody or anything, we are all passengers on planet Earth and it is one wondrous ride.

Comment by Ruth Anthony-Gardner on October 2, 2012 at 11:39am

Horray! As a Pennsylvanian I celebrate the judicial decision that the voter suppression law here will not take effect here for this election.

Pennsylvania Judge Blocks Voter-ID Law

(The "view interactive" state by state breakdown map didn't work for me.)

Comment by Joan Denoo on October 2, 2012 at 10:38am

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