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What is the purpose of life?

An eternal question, what is the purpose of life?, occupied philosophers’ thoughts throughout history. Stone pictographs reveal even primitive peoples reflected on this query. Each one has the capacity to define his or her personal thinking about politics, economics and religion.

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Comment by AgeOfAtheists14 on January 18, 2012 at 7:26am

A student has sent a rejection letter to the University of Oxford f...

familiar tone.. to the privy schools/universities here

Comment by Joan Denoo on January 15, 2012 at 12:48am

Steve,

We're Already In The Second Great Depression, We Just Don't Realize It Yet. STEVE KEEN: by Gus Lubin|December 03, 2011

Read more: http://articles.businessinsider.com/2011-12-03/markets/30471134_1_s...

What's The Real Unemployment Rate?  16 Oct 2011

Nouriel Roubini does the math:

but the one that includes discouraged workers who have left the labor force or partially unemployment has gone from 16.2 percent to 16.5 percent. And if you add to it the millions of people that you have in jail in the U.S. -- which is four times the amount of any civilized country as a share of population -- than unemployment is probably closer to 20 percent. And that's just among the average population. For minorities, the youth, or unskilled people that don't have a high school degree, the number is closer to 30 percent. 

http://andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com/2011/10/what-is-washington-...


Joseph E. Stiglitz - 2010. Freefall: America, Free Markets, and the Sinking of the World Economy - Page 64
The real unemployment rate.

I no longer have the book here, but according to Google, he addressed the real unemployment rate ... it is 2009 figures, if I remember correctly, but they were bad then. 

Comment by Joan Denoo on January 3, 2012 at 10:19pm

Suzanne, I doubt if you can make others mad; others might be mad because of what is going on inside their minds, they make themselves mad.  They could have felt sad, happy, afraid, enlightened, jealous, victorious, hurt, enriched; it is what goes on inside their heads that create reactions.

A person can be told he/she talks too much and the person may respond with appreciation, hurt feelings, picked on, trivialized, amused; it depends on the person's internal situation.

A person may feel helpless, indeed there are things one cannot control, floods for example, and one may be washed out to sea and not have the strength to swim back to safety. On the other hand, if one lives on a flood plain and ignores that reality, he/she may neglect taking precautions against flooding or not prepare for the probability of a flood taking control of one's life. 

You wrote, "I'm sorry if I made others mad at me. The holidays for me are always a time when I will vent against organized religion ..."

Perhaps there is a reason you want to vent; perhaps it is important you vent; perhaps a situation exists that needs to be vented; or perhaps you feel shame and guilt for venting; or perhaps you are taking on something that needs to be confronted and feel badly that you are the one making the noise. 

And finally, I would say that because one is born into a culture that limits or prescribes how one should think puts mind-binders on that child.  When the mind-bound individual resists, friction and conflict result.  Think of the Chinese women who have bound feet, the deliberate crippling of women to maintain control over them. As an old Chinese woman told me, it was a crime to deliberately cripple her body but the worst crime was crippling her mind.  

Comment by suzanne Buzz on January 1, 2012 at 11:03pm

I'm sorry if I made others mad at me. The holidays for me are always a time when I will vent against organized religion so I apologize for making others mad at me. I loved all the group posts they helped me a lot:)

Comment by Darin Cowan on December 31, 2011 at 11:51pm

 

Yes, you know me via michael richter, although I have no idea how you encountered him :)

Comment by Joan Denoo on December 31, 2011 at 4:21pm

Darin, you are right, when I first typed my ham call I typed KL7 and erased it and typed DLZ!  Those were interesting days ... I even learned Morris code, although not very well. 

I know what you mean and the cloud just does not go away.  One day, I stood in my dining room wondering if I should take my stash of pills and end it all.  I looked at the fact that I was conceived and exist, I worked hard to be a good daughter, wife, mother and community leader, and I felt lonely, helpless, hopeless, afraid, and worthless.  I thought of my family and community and felt utterly unappreciated, and I thought of death, decay, decomposition, dormancy, sleep, no heaven and no hell, only black. That night I went into my splendid back yard I designed and built with my own hands and the stars.

Seeing the stars, in this frame of mind, I thought of time and space, and why did I matter if I lived or died.  Something happened.  I can't describe it.  It was a realization that life is a wheel, being born, working, reproducing, participating in community, dying, and black.  As a wheel turns, so does life turn and I thought of spring, summer, autumn, and winter and realized I was not ready to die.  I had more questions to explore, more things to do, grandchildren and later great-grandchildren came along. The black cloud lifted and has not returned.  

This is what I know for sure, I am a passenger on the Earth that moves around the sun that moves around the Milky Way that moves through the universe with many other galaxies and I am made of the same stuff as stars, oxygen, carbon, nitrogen and a whole lot of other elements and things. I live in a universe with forces that I cannot control or influence: electromagnetism, gravity, weak nuclear and strong nuclear forces. 

So, I may have a purpose or I may not.  Does it matter? 

You are damned right it matters! I have all that I need to be fully human, eyes, ears, nose, mouth, physical and emotional feelings and I have as much right as anyone else to breathe air, drink water, eat food, pee and poop.  

So now I am a little old lady with white hair, wearing blue jeans and sturdy oxfords puttering around in my garden, cooking up a storm and reading and writing as long as I like about things that interest me.  There is no god or heaven or hell and when I die it will be because the switch that controls the electric energy that keeps my heart pumping is toggled to the off position and I exist no more.  

I am happy, content and raising some mischief and having a lot of fun.  

By the way, do I know you through Michael Richter?

 

Comment by Darin Cowan on December 31, 2011 at 8:49am

Your ham call was probably KL7DLZ then :)  Alaska almost always starts KL7.

Oh, I have been in the deep pits of clinical depression and have thus had considerable time to think about why I'm alive and whether or not I should even bother remaining alive, and in those times, I also felt the notion of a purpose to be unsatisfying.

People, and times change.  What may seem a purpose now may become obsolete, unwanted, unnecessary.  Imagine the horror of your life's purpose being washed away with the changing times?  The potentially fruitless search for a new purpose?

A celebration of life itself... that's a good way of putting it.

Comment by Joan Denoo on December 30, 2011 at 8:49pm

Darin, you make an excellent point; perhaps you haven't reached a time when you wondered why even be alive, just do whatever is necessary to stop pain.  Those days are gone, thankfully, and each day  is a celebration of life.  Thanks for reminding me. 

I had a ham license at one time, DLZ ... I can't remember now. That was 51 years ago at Wildwood Station, Alaska.  

Comment by Darin Cowan on December 30, 2011 at 6:36pm

For most of my adult life, I have been of the opinion that there is no "purpose" of life.  Life just is.

Seeking a "purpose" for life, I think, detracts from the experience.  A person can waste their life looking for that purpose, and will never find it, and in looking will miss out on so much.

I am happy my life has no purpose.  With no purpose, I am not a tool, but a free-willed being.  If there was a purpose, I would merely be fulfilling some ordained destiny... something I find dissatisfying.

Comment by suzanne Buzz on December 28, 2011 at 9:46pm

I want to say I love george Carlin he is funny and awesome:)

 
 
 

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