Reason Rally’s unreasonable beliefs
Cal Thomas, why on earth do you say atheists are openly "hostile to people of faith". That statement is about as ludicrous as asking "if they believe God does not exist, why are they so angry?" Have you not been listening and watching the news reports of efforts to keep people bound by faith in a non-existent god, to give the imperative to submit, obey, turn the other cheek, sacrifice yourself daily and rejoice in your sacrifice. I listened for 20 years to women who were trying to recover from religious dogma. They virtually all told the same story, going to their pastor, religious teachers and communities for help with their family violence and getting what I began to call, "The Passive Gospel".
Instead of hearing an active gospel: you have a right to feel safe in your own home, there is no justification for assault and battery of family member, your children have a right to be protected from thuggish and brutish behavior of a battering father ..." they were given The Passive Gospel! They asked for bread and were given stones!
The Passive Gospel was a sick theology and psychology when my grandmothers heard it and it is a sin and crime today. How can we assure safety for women and children in their own homes if the religious communities demand submission, obedience, second class citizenship on women and children? No amount of reasoning, pleading, crying, or legal and law enforcement will stop battering if men believe they have the right to oppress and women believe they have the obligation to submit.
Cal, I don't know if you have ever been beaten by a person you love or trust, but just because you have escaped such terror, you have no right to pass judgment on those who have.
Hostile? No! I am not hostile! I am outraged!
If we're all that hostile, where were the fist fights on the Mall this past Saturday between believers and non-believers? Why wasn't there a riot between those supposedly peace-loving christians and us nasty, "hostile" atheists? Could it be that we're not so much hostile toward the people who believe this nonsense as we are at the nonsense itself? I can't escape the impression that Thomas and others like him expect us to live down to their expectations and are either disappointed or puzzled when we don't.
Problem is, so long as Thomas and his ilk want to insist on their imagined stereotype of atheists, this is the kind of crap we can expect from them.
Loren, you said the absolute truth! I especially like our statement, "Thomas and others like him expect us to live down to their expectations and are either disappointed or puzzled when we don't."
I think that the mentality of the theists is such that no matter what we do, if we do not submit to them, we are seen as hostile (if ya ain't wit' us, yur again' us). If we speak, or confront their ignorance, no matter how reasonable we may try to be, they see us as attacking them. The "war on Christianity" is we non-theists/atheists/anti-theists refusal to submit to theists shoving their ignorance down out throats.
I don't think there is any way not to come across to them as hostile, with out submission, and I will never submit!
Mac, right on: " I will never submit!" You stated it just right!
OK. I may very well be criticized here, and if so, so be it (translation of that last phrase - amen). In any event, I read Mr. Thomas sophomoric, petulant, and boorish column. And, I started reading the comments of those who responded. Now, having a decidedly twisted and dark sense of humor, I laughed my rear end off at one particular comment, which I think sums up Mr. Thomas' intellect and insight into the human condition. If you're offended by non-politically correct speech, read no further.
Thomas, an individual who stretches his intellect to the absolute limit just remembering to unzip in the bathroom, should feel fortunate that publications such as the Washington Post and the Washington Times exist. Otherwise the only form of employment he could obtain would be cleaning toilets at Burger King, with the Downs' syndrome kid as his shift manager.
A bit harsh? Maybe. On Point??? ABSO-FREAKING-LUTELY!!!
Pat, it is perfect! No offense taken here! It feels so good to read all these condemnations of ignorance, bigotry, and self-righteousness. There is no place for silence on this issue. People have been silent far too long and see what it has achieved! Thanks
"Thomas, an individual who stretches his intellect to the absolute limit" is not judgment, it is description.
Jonathan, excellent points!
Of course they can't. From where they sit, they are the default position, the majority, the automatic. They've taken themselves for granted. We, by our very presence, upset their applecart and violate their paradigm. What's worse, we don't consider ourselves to be answerable in any way to an authority they take as sacrosanct and unquestionable. Worse, We LAUGH At It!
Then, on top of the rest of it, they're confronted with our POV about them: that they have taken a simplistic view to a situation which is far more nuanced and complex than they are willing to admit. Even worse yet, our final analysis is that Their Whole Belief Structure Is Superfluous And Unnecessary! They can't deal with all of the above - they FREAK.
Finally ... SOME of them ... at SOME level ... recognize that we know what we're talking about. These are the people who have been through that whole "crisis of faith" thing and haven't resolved it to their own satisfaction. But they can't let go of their faith because of the whole carrot/stick thing, with especial focus on the STICK. That conflict, that cognitive dissonance, is driving them bananas. Some few of these will bite the bullet and at least begin to consider our position. Others won't have the guts to.
This is the rational-vs-irrational model. It ain't pretty, but there it is.
YES! and here they have these "reality" based people when they already have an overflowing sense of being out of control of their personal debt and national budget, undeclared wars that we are losing, the banking and financial industry revealed to be legalized thievery, and those loud mouthed radicals wanting to turn away from capitalism and toward the vicious demon known as s.o.c.i.a.l.i.s.m. Don't say that too loudly, they might hear the word. Their safety net (god) can't possibly stand up to all that!
"Worse, We LAUGH At It!"
I didn't see your reply in the comments section, did it get deleted?