Tony Carroll, Thanks; that church sign illustrates the problem, some religious people can think and choose not to. Yes, thinking requires work, mathematics needs concentration, science requires an open mind to take in all diversity and infinite time, life depend upon thought plus action. Dogma does not stand up to any of these. Litany provides no answers. Yes, religion may provide comfort, but does not provide answers worthy of attention. I find no truth in any one of the following sentences: 
The Nicene Creed
Traditional Version (From the Book of Common Prayer)
I believe in one God, the Father Almighty 
Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible:
And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father before all worlds; 
God of God, Light of Light, very God of very God; 
begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father,
by Whom all things were made: 
Who for us men and for our salvation came down from Heaven, 
and was incarnate by the Holy Ghost of the Virgin Mary, and was made man: 
And was crucified also for us under Pontius Pilate; he suffered and was buried: 
And the third day he rose again according to the Scriptures: 
And ascended into Heaven, and sitteth on the right hand of the Father: 
And he shall come again, with glory, to judge both the quick and the dead: 
Whose Kingdom will have no end:
And I believe in the Holy Ghost the Lord, and Giver of Life, 
Who proceedeth from the Father and the Son 
Who with the Father and the Son together is worshipped and glorified, 
Who spake by the Prophets. 
And I believe in One Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church, 
I acknowledge one Baptism for the remission of sins. 
And I look for the Resurrection of the Dead: 
And the Life of the world to come. Amen.

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And I can't prove or corroborate so much as ONE OUNCE of the above bullshit, but I believe it anyway because I was brought up in the church and indoctrinated into it before I could evaluate it intellectually, and now I'm so frightened of it that I cant tear myself away from it.

Yuk - TOOEY!

Loren, how about a little music relief. Got any good tunes to share? 

How about some Morten Lauridsen, from his lovely Lux Aeterna, the third movement: O Nata Lux?  Yeah, it's church music.  It's also GORGEOUS!

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It is lovely! Perfect to quiet the troubled mind. Thanks. 

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