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Parenting Little Heathens

Atheists don't have a lot of parenting resources that speak directly to them. Come chat about all things parenting here.

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Discussion Forum

Omega 3s during pregnancy diets determine that child's math scores

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner Sep 11. 0 Replies

The current US diet, high in corn and soybean products, harms the brain of your developing fetus. Pregnant women need lots of omega 3's and a lot less omega 6's. Nearly half of the difference in…Continue

Children in megacities get brain damage

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner Sep 11. 0 Replies

Air pollution harmful to young brains, study findsAir pollution in large cities damages children's…Continue

Tags: brain damage, air pollution

Protecting oxygen-deprived newborns

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner Jul 11. 0 Replies

Cooling protects oxygen-deprived infantsWe always fear our newborn being temporarily deprived…Continue

Tags: birth complications

Breastfeeding moms need 5,000 - 6,000 IU of D per day

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner Jun 21. 0 Replies

Vitamin D and the nursing motherHuman milk, in most nursing mothers, contains very little vitamin D. Infant…Continue

Tags: vitamin D deficiency in babies

Nursing mothers need 5,000-6,000 IU of vitamin D

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner Jun 8. 0 Replies

Vitamin D and the nursing motherAn "adequate" intake for nursing mothers is not the 400 IU/d the IOM…Continue

Tags: nursing, vitamin D

Healthy diet bfore pregnancy and preterm birth

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner May 24. 0 Replies

Poor diet before pregnancy linked with preterm birthWomen who ate more protein and fruit before pregnancy…Continue

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Don't tell kids they're too fat

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner Apr 29. 0 Replies

Stop Calling Young Girls ‘Fat’Encouraging fitness activities and…Continue

Tags: fat-shaming, obesity

Brain injuries during youth sports can predispose for homelessness

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner Apr 26. 0 Replies

A traumatic brain injury sustained in childhood or early teenage years could predispose someone to homelessness as an adult.Dr. Topolovec-Vranic looked at data on 111 homeless men aged 27 to 81 years…Continue

Tags: homeless, childhood brain injury

Don't let kids under four cry it out

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Annie Thomas Apr 23. 1 Reply

Four in 10 infants lack strong parental attachmentsWhen parents feel too overwhelmed to soothe crying…Continue

Tags: soothe a crying child, secure attachment

Parenting Teen Drivers

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner Apr 20. 0 Replies

If you have teenaged drivers, share this.Teen drivers were six times more likely to have a serious incident when there was loud conversation in the vehicle — to the point of needing to make an…Continue

Tags: teen driver safety

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Comment by Angie Jackson on May 31, 2009 at 10:36am
I started college at 21, got pregnant, got married, chose to stay home with my son (and you know, do things like EAT and keep him in cloth diapers) and then went back when he turned 2. Went for another two semesters, racked up huge debt paying for tuition, books, and childcare, then got a really good job, dropped out of college, and just got laid off in February. And now I can't afford to go back to school. I've "chosen" college multiple times. I expect I'll have my bachelors before I'm 40, but possibly not much before then. And no, I wasn't a sanitation worker. I was an executive for an education company, managing three teams of people producing online professional development training courses for people who already had gone to college. Oh, and my CEO (one of the brightest guys I've ever met, although a prick) couldn't afford to graduate college either.
Comment by Bob on May 31, 2009 at 10:26am
I think we have a "Caste System" or class system in America just like anywhere else. Some people can move between classes, but its not that easy to do. I wanted post high school education badly and was willing to do whatever it took to get it. I joined the Army, got $20,000 for college in just 2 years service. Since I came from a family with no support of any kind, I wound up using college to learn what I should of learned in High School. I also spent more time in college because I had no idea what I wanted to major in.

Those kinds of issues are common for many college students. Usually the kids from the higher classes did better than people like me. I had nowhere to go in the summers, so my summer earnings went to immediate expenses, rent, clothes, etc. I was competing against kids who went back home to a rent free room, free food, free clothes, etc.

I racked up $20,000 in student loans, not due to financial mismanagement, but do to financial need. With interest and penalties I am still paying off $27,000 2nd mortgage which was my student loans.

I can very much relate to Carrie's situation, as mine isn't too much different. I don't pay rent, I pay a mortgage, but I have little equity, and the mortgage company owns the house. I pretty much live paycheck to paycheck, so if I lose my job, I could very easily lose the house.

However I don't begrude Sydni's at all. What she does with her money is her business. I go to museums and go out to eat myself. Perhaps not as often, but I go whenever I can.

It will be very difficult for me to put my little heathen through college some day, as I am still paying off my college bill. If my littel heaten attends college, it will be at the expense of even larger student loans that will hold her down in life as mine hold me down.
Comment by Wendy on May 31, 2009 at 9:40am
I gotta agree with Bob on this one. The college thing is bugging me. Unless I missed something, how can one assume that she didn't "choose" college? Maybe it was not possible for her to go? And even if you do "choose" college it's no guarantee that it'll make your life better. Ask the thousands of people out of work right now with college degrees or even post-grad degrees.
Comment by Bob on May 31, 2009 at 9:35am
I read the whole thread, and thought you both were fine. I didn't sense a big "fight" or anything. It was just a difference of opinion on a few things. I thougth you both were polite and nice about it.

This proves that class struggles exist for atheists/agnostics just as it does for anyone else.

Sydni, you made the comment about how you "chose college" as a way of making a better life for yourself. I find that to be a very interesting comment. I too chose college. However from my background that choice was and still is today a huge financial challenge. The education system is so over priced, tuition has risen far faster than inflation. I have a huge 2nd mortgage today because I used it to pay off my student loans.

Back when I was struggling in college, I noticed many Christian students getting all kinds of financial support, free place to stay, etc from their churches. I joined an atheist/humanist group that met up once a month for coffee and discussion, even though they were aware of my difficult situation, nobody offered me any help at all.

I'm still an atheist/agnostic, as there is no way I could believe the senseless teachings of any religion. One thing I have observed, many of the religious do come together and help each other out. I haven't seen anything like that among us atheists/agnostics.

Its probably one of the reasons there are large numbers of believers, they have ways of helping each other, meeting up & socializiing, etc. Atheists/Agnostics seem to be in their own little worlds apart from each other.

Its seems that "disbelief" isn't a strong enough bond to bring people together to the point where they are looking out for each other and helping each other out.
Comment by Angie Jackson on May 31, 2009 at 8:36am
Okay that's it: Sydni & Carrie - You're both my friends. Let's call a truce, alright? We all come to this place from different histories, lifestyles, and perspectives. Let's focus for the comment wall at least on the things we have in common and the things we agree on. Carrie, I think you're a wonderful mother. You spend as much quality time with your son as you possibly can and I know you love him more than life itself. And Sydni, you are too. You teach your kids a sense of stewardship and responsibility not often associated for those of us on the lower end of the economic scale with parents with resources. And hey! ALL OF US here on Parenting Little Heathens can agree that our kids have a huge advantage in not being raised with dogma. Some of us had that ourselves, and some of us had the opposite. But we've all come to the conclusion that we're going to love our kids, teach them how to think, and provide for them the best opportunities we have the means to.

So please, both of you, can you give it a rest?
Comment by Angie Jackson on May 30, 2009 at 6:31am
I live in Tampa, FL. Pretty much weather is the trump reason to live here, as we're large enough to have crime and parking/traffic troubles, but Southern and poor enough (cause all the old NYers come here to retire and vote against raising taxes for kids and native Floridians) that we only have a few good museums, our downtown is teeny tiny (6 "skyscrapers") and there are waaaaaaaay too many churches. Oh, and proceeds from our new Jesus license plates go to fund creationism education in public school. You should all be glad you're not stuck in the Land of Compromise: the worst of both worlds.
Comment by Bob on May 30, 2009 at 12:09am
Sydni, I have to disagree with your comment about small towns where you said they "lack culture" and "bordom of small town life".

For awhile I lived in a large city. I lived in Milwaukee for awhile. I lived in the Chicago area for awhile. Now I live in a small town. I love living in a small town. There are no traffic jams. I never have to hunt for a parking spot. Crime is so low, its almost non-existant. I know many people in town, and run into familiar faces all the time.

Life is not boring here, and it does not "lack culture". Its also nice not to live on top of each other. I actually have a nice size yard and an affordable mortage. I probably wouldn't have either one in Manhattan.

To me, overall quality of life is better in the small town. But hey, if your proximity to Manhattan works for you, thats great!

Where we choose to live, doesn't matter all that much. Its great that we are atheists/agnostics! This country has too many brainwashed people who believe in some pretty stupid things!
Comment by Angie Jackson on May 21, 2009 at 6:37pm
Carrie there are some nice upper-mid class Sect 8 home here (hence the waitlist) but most are as ghetto as you describe, and in high crime areas. We have homeless who sleep outside here, and literally every charity in town has told me, "Sorry, we're out of funds". The latest stats list FL as having 28% of children below the poverty line. It's bleak, and I'm getting gone as soon as I can.
Comment by Angie Jackson on May 21, 2009 at 3:47pm
We've been on the WIC waiting list for over a year. All local churches except catholic donate to one central Christian Services Center for food bank, and it "doesn't serve your zip code". Transportation is a huge difficulty as well, and the only other food bank in town is Catholic Charities (aka St. Vincent) about an hour away by car or five hours and a two mile walk by public transit. We just live off the food stamps for food. I'm good at budgeting - most meals cost under 50 cents per serving.
Comment by Angie Jackson on May 21, 2009 at 1:57pm
In Florida they don't. We have no state income tax, and a lot of elderly retirees (many from NY) who vote down education, public parks, and social services as fast as they're introduced. I get limited food stamps, my son has medicaid, and that's it. No other help available. And all the churches refuse to help since we aren't members of their group (I don't mention I'm an atheist, but you get nothing unless you sign-up to be preached at). Oh and the Section 8 waiting list is 39 months right now... (I've been on it 13 months so far)
 

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