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Comment by Rudy V Kiist on July 14, 2011 at 9:15am
Seriously Tom??? This issue is the same as let's say what's happened/happening in places like Libya or Iran??? And I suppose taking a pencil from work is the same as bank robbery or mass murder. Really, get some perspective...
Comment by Tom Sarbeck on July 14, 2011 at 12:54am

The other stereotype atheists have is we're arrogant SOBs. Get over it already.

Your demand that people who are fighting for freedom from oppression "Get over it already" seems to me unreasonable.

Comment by G Smith on July 13, 2011 at 11:46pm
My understanding of the term 'atheist' is changing as I learn more about it. I don't find convincing evidence of any theistic gods that I've learned about. If it means just that, then I am an atheist. I agree that we are all individuals and vary from one to the next. I also see the value in presenting ourselves well. I try to do so, but I don't always do that as well as I would like.
Comment by Rudy V Kiist on July 13, 2011 at 2:40pm
The other stereotype atheists have is we're arrogant SOBs. Get over it already. We're human like everyone else and personally that's the way I like being looked at. Anyone thinking it's a big deal or morally wrong then DON'T do it. Otherwise don't push your values on everyone else. That's one of the reasons I'm proud admitting I'm an atheist. So those of you thinking you know better than everyone else, just give it a rest.
Comment by Susan Stanko on July 13, 2011 at 6:53am
So you would rather have Ohio have to pay up in attorney costs than have the poll "tainted".  The citizens of Ohio must be thanking you for that.
Comment by dr kellie on July 13, 2011 at 6:12am
Stephan, you are not wrong.  This is getting silly.  On la otra mano, it seems that some people like getting your name wrong.  Sometimes the lazy fight is the fun fight.
Comment by Richard H. McCargar on July 12, 2011 at 10:30pm

Stephen. You wrote: "I reject their direction to keep this to Ohio only, because I need support from my friends outside the state to keep my state from doing something unethical. My ethics tell me to involve anyone and everyone I can to fight the good fight. I wouldn't feel I had acted as a soundly moral person had I NOT tried to get everyone else involved."

You are not fighting the good fight with your tactics. You are fighting the lazy fight.

The good fight would be to publicly fight this, not to subvert the process.  Naturally, people want to take the easy way out. Feel free, but don't call it ethical.

Comment by Richard H. McCargar on July 12, 2011 at 10:26pm

Stephen, no matter how many times you say it wrong, it is wrong.  You are to be an Ohio resident, and the additional votes are on a 1 time per day basis, hence the original suggestion to delete your cookies to bypass that poll safeguard.

Asking your Ohio friends to do the same would not in that case be unethical.  What was initially asked here, was for non-Ohio residents to lie about the zip-code in which they live, and to delete the cookies to circumvent the poll's integrity.

You had the right words, but didn't bother to understand them.

Comment by Kent on July 12, 2011 at 7:44pm
Alice,  Isn't it the same as discussing cheating?  A lot of believers have the misconception of Athiest lacking morals.  Why give them any ammunition, even though this is quite trivial. 
Comment by Alice on July 12, 2011 at 6:46pm
It's from the story of Percival, the holy grail and the fisher king and him coming back on his horse - the first time he comes he comes on his horse searching - but later when he is older he comes back and gets off his horse and walks with the people - then he finds the truth - it's a metaphor - basically - he learns to walk with the people - not see himself as special or more important - superior to others - but equal to others... :)

http://www.mcelhearn.com/perceval.html
 

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