ORIGINS: UNIVERSE, LIFE, HUMANKIND, AND DARWIN

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ORIGINS: UNIVERSE, LIFE, HUMANKIND, AND DARWIN

We debate origins of the Universe, life, Earth, humans, religion, atheism, using common sense, evolution, cosmology, geology, archaeology, and other sciences, to repel biblical creationism and other religious beliefs.

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Comment by Scott Bidstrup on October 31, 2011 at 6:43pm

Dr. Meaden wrote:  "...You are not only plain arrogant but you are ignorant to the highest degree."

 

I just tell them that I prefer science to the speculations attributed to ancient tribal sky gods.  That shuts 'em up quite effectively.

Comment by Dr. Terence Meaden on October 31, 2011 at 6:21pm

What is more, here are the words that Byron used:

“Those who will not reason, are bigots, those who cannot, are fools, and those who dare not, are slaves.”

 

Comment by Dr. Terence Meaden on October 31, 2011 at 6:17pm

What I have said on several occasions as a reply goes something this:

  "How come that you people are so arrogant as to dispute the proven scientific case for origins and for evolution?

   In the last two centuries hundreds of thousands of patient scientists have carried out tens of millions of careful experiments and analyses, all of which agree with one another as to the origins of life, and of Earth, and the stars and galaxies.

   By contrast, you blindly accept what is in a book being the supposed words of illiterate Bronze Age goat herders living on the desert margins of the Middle East and Near East. 

   You are not only plain arrogant but you are ignorant to the highest degree." 

Comment by Troy Gorsline on October 31, 2011 at 2:46pm
I did come to think of it. They stated it wasn't the same issue. When I questioned the reasoning behind it, they stated faith in god, the eternal who created us, was different then a science we made up. Screaming would have been counter productive. So after some cleansing breaths, I calmly stated it was, in fact, the same. The difference is evolution has been proven on numerous occasions while creationism is based on faith -soley. They didn't agree. They wondered which study proved it beyond a shadow of doubt. I promised to provide one the minute they provide me beyond a shaddow of doubt the existence of a being who created the universe for reasons I can only assume was boredom. I don't think my snark was appreciated.
Comment by Aaron Wiitanen on October 31, 2011 at 12:01pm
Can't talk to irrational people.. They don't want to learn anything because they're lazY wackos..
Comment by Troy Gorsline on October 31, 2011 at 11:19am
The only conclusion is they were doing "mission work." I imagine they knew an Occupy Rally in Madison, WI would be a real hotbed of heathens
Comment by George on October 31, 2011 at 11:16am
Why were creationists at an Occupy Rally?
Comment by Troy Gorsline on October 31, 2011 at 11:04am
Passers by were quite amused about the argument. I may have been dumbfounded, but those walking by were quick to laugh and run away. I could have used some back up!  :)
Comment by Joseph P on October 31, 2011 at 10:59am
About the only thing to do to affect anything is to mock them, so that those watching will see how ridiculous they are and not become like them. You can't reach these people.
Comment by Troy Gorsline on October 31, 2011 at 10:45am
I have to comment on the amazing event that happened to me over the weekend. I was at an Occupy Rally at my state capitol. Before the march started, I noticed a disply decrying evolution. Baffled, I began reading the display. Before I knew it, I was surronded by at least five asking me to prove evolution. To name a study that proves it. I replied name any study and there you go. They replied no study is conclusive. I asked to prove the existence of a higher power who created everything. They replied it's a matter of faith, but my faith in science was flawed. Over an hour of this. I was dumbfounded. Two days later I am still amazed. How can one argue with this?
 

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