ORIGINS: UNIVERSE, LIFE, HUMANKIND, AND DARWIN

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ORIGINS: UNIVERSE, LIFE, HUMANKIND, AND DARWIN

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Comment by Steph S. on December 31, 2011 at 10:53am

Comment by Steph S. on December 30, 2011 at 10:10pm

Happy New Year!

Comment by Donny on December 28, 2011 at 8:34pm

Charles,

                I’m not sure what to make out of your missive.  I can sympathize with the fact you were a Methodist as I was a member of both the Disciples of Christ church and the Vineyard Christian Fellowship. I have no desire to be  and activist but to each their own.

                I don’t understand what you could not know about religious extremist in reference to the 9/11 crap. Religion demands that you must kill and die for your beliefs.

                As for the Bible, it was written by a bunch of goat herders with patriarchal and genocidal attitudes.

                I am not a theist but do believe that life is more than a grouping of chemical reactions. We do have a cognitive nature so why not use it.

                People are atheist for many reasons, I’m sure that the reasons change as folks grow and mature.  I don’t care about the legalization of pot. It’s not a hard drug and is most likely better for people than the scotch, which I love. Having said that, to make it a litmus test of one’s atheism seems a little extreme

                I don’t believe the “we atheist” need to take any part of the Bible or Koran to justify our morality. We should be able to use our common sense to do that. A rule that I have always though fair is “ A persons morality can be judged by how they act when nobody is watching”.

                As for the existence of god, I grow tired of that debate. There is none.

                All in all I hope you do well, don’t get trapped in fights with family members. That tends to make life miserable.

Peace.     

Comment by Susan Stanko on December 28, 2011 at 7:45pm

And who is Matt Hammel?  I watch the Atheist Experience and have never seen anyone by that name.

Comment by Donny on December 28, 2011 at 7:25pm

Wow, I just don't know what to say now. What does athorakated mean? I tried to look it up on the web  but didn't get a definition.  

Comment by Alice on December 28, 2011 at 6:18pm

Charles - just above the comment wall is a link saying "+ Add a Discussion"  Please click on it and continue your disccussion there.  thanks :)

Comment by Susan Stanko on December 28, 2011 at 5:36pm

Is it really that hard to start a discussion, Charles?

Comment by Alice on December 28, 2011 at 4:47pm

Greg - our brains are plastic and if the drive is there, we can change our world view and learn - I've had a total turn around from age 30 to 35 and it's been great - almost like I struggled the first 30 years and now I've found something that makes sense....

Comment by james boag on December 28, 2011 at 11:11am

Excellent comment, it so clearly cleans away all the clutter.

Comment by Joseph P on December 27, 2011 at 5:58pm

Sounds about right, now that I've skimmed his whole post.  Good lord, man.

We've already got a superior alternative to Christian morality.  Secular Humanism beats the nonsense in the Bible, easily.  If you want an alternative viewpoint on the subject, try Sam Harris's new book.

As for reaching your wife and daughter, who are still Christian?  Well, good luck with that.  Unless they're already of a skeptical mindset and are already questioning their faith, the best, likely result is frustration on your part.  More likely is your alienation of them.

Deconverting faith heads is best done in large groups.  You'll reach a few people, if you focus on hundreds or thousands.  If you pick out one or two people and focus on deconverting just them, you're almost certainly doomed to failure.  Deprogramming people from religion takes effort on their part, as well as yours.  If they're happy being religious, they'll have far too many emotional blocks up for them to be able to look at their religion rationally.

Your daughter sounds a bit too old for you to be able to influence her as a parent.  18 is just to old to train someone in critical thinking.  You have to start much younger than that.  She could pick it up later, sure, but she'd have to want it and meet you halfway.

 

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