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ORIGINS: UNIVERSE, LIFE, HUMANKIND, AND DARWIN

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Comment by Joseph P on April 8, 2012 at 8:30pm

What we are experiencing now is just an experiment.  When do we decide that this experiment has failed and try something new?

If this is an experiment, then what are your controls?  I don't see them.

 

We are talking about evolution which would imply that some of us could possibly be more evolved than others.

And that's a blatantly stupid statement demonstrating your lack of understanding of Evolution, as well as being an ad hominem attack.  Can we stick to a rational argument?

Comment by Joseph P on April 8, 2012 at 8:23pm

To address your last two paragraphs, though ...

I don't know.  Considering that the Christian god (or any other analog) has so far failed to demonstrate his existence with anything approaching evidence, he's got so much to make up for.  Theories are formed by the accumulation of a preponderance of evidence.

Considering that the preponderance of the evidence that has so far been accumulated points to the non-existence of the Christian deity, he's not starting from zero ... but from a negative position.

 

He's freaking omniscient.  He's omnipotent.  Let him figure out what he has to do to prove dominance over the Earth.

Comment by Joseph P on April 8, 2012 at 8:12pm

Ah, I see.  So, now you're going to attack me personally, rather than address things I've said.  Classy.

 

I've done plenty of things, but they have nothing to do with this discussion or the subject of this group.  Let's stick to the subject.  If you've got something to say in response to my points, then say it.  Otherwise, I have no interest in arguing with you anymore.

Your last two paragraphs, layered on top of your Hitler bullshit earlier, are making you look like a stealth-theist.  You know this site is for atheists only, right?

Comment by Joseph P on April 8, 2012 at 6:56pm

What does that have to do with the discussion thread or Origins in general?

 

I don't believe you can turn economics into a hard science, no matter how much you try.  You can't test it in a lab.  You can't run a control group.  You can't do repeatable experiments with controlled variables.  It's not a hard science, and it can't be.

Comment by Joseph P on April 8, 2012 at 6:48pm

I may have missed something here. What was the original discussion topic? It seems some people are trying assert their dominance as best Hitler biographer. Fascinating, but is anything productive going to come out of this argument, or is it just a contest to see which primate gets to be top monkey?

It began with this:

 

Comment by chris tidman 9 hours ago
So if we vote for Darwinism we support the logic for a hierarchy of life forms, which is used to support the cast system, euthanasia of lesser beings, and differences in the treatment of different races. Pretty well what we have at the moment.
Creationists on the other hand recognize the equality of all humans.
I believe in both and that we are not alone in the universe. When you believe that, I think that you leave the door open for free thought.

... about 6 pages back in the comments.  It's on the top of page 7, as I type this.

It only switched off to Hitler after Chris won his Godwin Award, a few posts later:

 

Joseph.  Hitler was a Christian but also a Darwinist (call it evolutionist if you like) which is where he got his weird ideas about belonging to a super race and trying to move the process along by eliminating what he felt were the inferior.

Comment by Joseph P on April 8, 2012 at 6:40pm

... or more to the point, connect that to the thing I said to which you're responding.

Comment by Wyatt on April 8, 2012 at 6:38pm
I may have missed something here. What was the original discussion topic? It seems some people are trying assert their dominance as best Hitler biographer. Fascinating, but is anything productive going to come out of this argument, or is it just a contest to see which primate gets to be top monkey?
Comment by Joseph P on April 8, 2012 at 6:38pm

@ Joseph P : Hitler got his idea of an Aryan Super race from Nietzsche, not Darwin.

Not following you.  How is that a comment upon anything I've said?  Explain further, please.

Comment by Joseph P on April 8, 2012 at 6:36pm

" He was their boy, not ours."
What is this 'theirs' and 'ours' ? He was a stupid human like the rest of us, influenced by an ego and narcissistic tendencies and having a communicable disease that affected his brain. He probably got picked on when he was a child by a few Jewish schoolmates and felt entitled to get even. You can't believe everything you read.

In this case, it refers to theism/Creationism, as opposed to atheism/acceptance-of-Evolution.  Hitler was firmly in the first camp, on both subjects.

 

"It's not what you say. It's what you do."
25 years ago I wrote a little book explaining why the banking system was not sustainable and why the rich get richer and the poorer. In that year the Nobel Prize committee that had granted the economics prize since it had been established was disbanded and replaced with a new committee with a sociologist on the team. The Bank of Canada Governor John Crow resigned and the BofC stopped announcing the interest rate every week. They now claim to 'just follow the market'. Then I wrote the first training program for environmentalists. Three years ago I started the North America Party and since then I have been developing the perimeter security for North America. What have you done Joseph?

And which part of that has the first thing to do with Evolution or the study of Hitler's philosophical beliefs?

... or science, for that matter?  Economics is nothing approaching a hard science.

 

Oh vegetarians. They don't eat meat. It affects the brain and makes the eyes go funny.

[citation needed]

Uh huh.

Comment by Joseph P on April 8, 2012 at 6:23pm

To comment on the discussion that many others were having, about whether Hitler was really a Catholic ...

 

The impression I've gotten is that he was a true Catholic, just like many modern Christians are Christians.  I know a lot of fuzzy Christians who get into astrology, psychics, Ouija boards, and other random, spiritual crap.

I think Hitler did a lot of the same, with eastern spirituality (the adoption of the swastika, among other things) of various sorts, as well as Nordic paganism.  He dabbled, but that doesn't necessarily make him less of a Christian.  It just doesn't make him a very good Christian, as many aren't.

 

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