ORIGINS: UNIVERSE, LIFE, HUMANKIND, AND DARWIN

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ORIGINS: UNIVERSE, LIFE, HUMANKIND, AND DARWIN

We debate origins of the Universe, life, Earth, humans, religion, atheism, using common sense, evolution, cosmology, geology, archaeology, and other sciences, to repel biblical creationism and other religious beliefs.

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Comment by Joseph P on April 9, 2012 at 10:16pm

I write all my own stuff.  Don't have to quote anyone else. Have my own thoughts and invent something new just about every day.  I don't compete with anyone and don't take myself very seriously.

We're providing links in an apparently vain attempt to explain to you where you're going wrong.  There's no reason to explain it from scratch, when someone else has already done a good job of it.

You're not assembling rational arguments, and you're talking about things of which you obviously have insufficient knowledge.  If you followed the links and read a bit, you might learn things and become less ignorant.  Give it a try.

Seriously, go look up the book suggestions I've made.  Most of them should be available at any decent public library.

 

I'm here because I thought that you needed a serious case of Atypical bi-polar which is a much better disorder.

Thanks, I'm already bi-polar.  I'm good.

Comment by Joseph P on April 9, 2012 at 10:07pm

I just asked.  Don't have to get all bent out of shape. Anyone who thinks that he is a free thinker should have some comment other than."you're off topic".  Maybe I was thinking about the 'humankind' part of the heading and how they have been sold a bill of goods that has made them rather numb to what they are really being controlled by.

It's not that you're off topic.  It's that you're introducing completely irrelevant information, trying to pump yourself up in some sort of Argument from Authority fallacy.  I don't give a damn what you've done in the field of economics.  It has nothing to do with Evolution and gives no credibility to anything you say on the subject.

Add to that the fact that you're saying things that are silly to anyone who understands the theory and ... well, you're going to get mocked just a bit.

Comment by Joseph P on April 9, 2012 at 10:01pm

How can I prove that the money GOD does not exist and is not worshiped by his followers?  Is his religion not the one with the army of accountants and the Church of Banks with the rituals and sacrifices.

 

Comment by Joseph P on April 9, 2012 at 9:57pm

Wasn't aware that I had so many unanswered questions in me?

Questions are one thing.  You're not asking questions in an honest pursuit of knowledge.  You're asking loaded questions, pushing an agenda.  There's a slight difference.

 

We either evolved from something lower or something higher.  Which is it?

That's a complete misunderstanding of the Theory of Evolution.  This sort of thing is one of the areas in which you're going completely wrong.  Evolution is not a hierarchy.  It does not support eugenics or genocide.

Seriously, go and read a few primers or something.  'The Greatest Show on Earth', by Richard Dawkins, is a good choice for that.  You need to get down the basics before discussing it in a forum such as this.  Most of us have read well beyond that level, on the subject, I think.

Comment by Joseph P on April 9, 2012 at 9:50pm

We joined here because we think that there is no God. We like to think that we are all equal without any proof of that either.

We all act as if we think that we are smarter than anyone else because we have evolved from some higher life form from which we have inherited the smart gene. Some of us know that we are smarter than others, better looking or not as evil as Hitler. We spend all our time comparing ourselves to others.

What you're saying has no bearing on anything.  Arguments stand or fall on their own merits.  Rather than addressing my points, you're throwing out claims of things you've done, as if we're supposed to care.  If you're not an authority in the field we're discussing, then none of it makes a damned bit of difference.

 

Then there are always the facts which seem to get into the way of our created ideas of the universe - and the money GOD. Now there is one GOD that seems to influence just about everything.

Does the money GOD affect your decisions and if so why do you let him control your life? How much would I have to pay you Joseph to change your beliefs?

That's a completely nonsensical idea.  You can't change your beliefs because you want to ... certainly not because of bribery.  The best you can do is pretend to believe something, and I'm too honest to do that.

We don't decide to believe something.  Rather, we become convinced that something is true ... hopefully through the examination of evidence and rational arguments.  Although, I hear theists do it differently.

Comment by Richard ∑wald on April 9, 2012 at 12:29pm

"Don't have to quote anyone else."

I was talking about citing what you're replying to (see above), otherwise a lot of it doesn't make much sense.

"I'm here because I thought that you needed a serious case of Atypical bi-polar which is a much better disorder."

Like this.

Comment by Richard ∑wald on April 9, 2012 at 11:59am

"We either evolved from something lower or something higher.  Which is it?"

No idea what this means, lower/higher …what? exactly, and by what criteria?

"If you compete only with yourself and you are doing something that you have never done before, how do you know when you have won?"

Won what?

"Have you ever turned down a job that you felt you could not do?"

See:

"Maybe I was thinking about the 'humankind' part of the heading and how they have been sold a bill of goods that has made them rather numb to what they are really being controlled by."

Magnets, obviously...

Comment by Joan Denoo on April 9, 2012 at 11:56am

I like Richard's post:

Petitio Principii

"

The truth of the conclusion is assumed by the premises. Often, the conclusion is simply restated in the premises in a slightly different form. In more difficult cases, the premise is a consequence of the conclusion."
Example:
  1. We know that God exists, since the Bible says God exists. What the Bible says must be true, since God wrote it and God never lies. (Here, we must agree that God exists in order to believe that God wrote the Bible.)

You know, with this little nudge, I might begin to think logically. 

Comment by Richard ∑wald on April 9, 2012 at 11:15am

" the smart gene"

No such thing.

"We spend all our time comparing ourselves  to others"

Please, speak for yourself. I am only in competition with the one person who can improve me, …myself.

"the money GOD"

See: 

"Does the money GOD affect your decisions and if so why do you let him control your life? 

See:

How much would I have to pay you Joseph to change your beliefs? "

See:

Comment by Richard ∑wald on April 9, 2012 at 9:32am

"Silly to leave a group because of one day of activity."

Especially after having flooded the blogs with 4 topics in an less than an hour, all of which are already pre-existing topics on forums/groups….

….just sayin'

 

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