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Comment by Homer Edward Price on September 17, 2013 at 2:30pm

Don't forget that the believers are also much more numerous in this country than the non-believers and that they were actively recruited into politics by the right-wing Republicans.   The Democrats have been running from us ever since.  This was demonstrated when the party insiders rammed "God" in to the Democratic Party platform despite an obvious "no" in the voice vote.

Comment by Chad Kreutzer on September 17, 2013 at 1:54pm
It's easy to be loud when you're absolutely right. We have a hard time being strident because of our constant acknowledgement of doubt and uncertainty. Consider the blowback often received from within our community by the "New Atheists" because of that very thing.
Comment by Drew Carpenter on September 17, 2013 at 1:49pm

I agree, Chad. They are better organized and louder. The louder part, I think, comes from a need to reinforce their beliefs when rational justificaton is not possible.

Comment by Chad Kreutzer on September 17, 2013 at 1:39pm
The problem I see is that Humans are Humans and magical thinking come naturally to us. So despite advances in science and education, I don't think religion will ever be completely eradicated. Also, as we can already see, true believers are almost always louder, more insistent and better organized than rationalists. And those things make up a lot for smaller numbers when reckoning cultural influence.
Comment by Dorian Moises Mattar on September 17, 2013 at 12:59pm
Comment by Drew Carpenter on September 17, 2013 at 12:21pm

That is good news, Dorian. I wonder how much the internet might have to do with this move away from religion?

Comment by Dorian Moises Mattar on September 17, 2013 at 11:01am
Comment by Lex Allen on September 17, 2013 at 1:04am

I disagree somewhat with Dorian Moises Mattar that, "religious institutions are loosing so much ground that they are throwing wild punches in desperation."

In fact, the resignation of Benedict and election of Francis was a brilliantly calculated move.  Out with the old, in with the new, flexible and slightly more accommodating Pope who appeals to the young.  Church membership has stopped its decline, in fact it's moving upwards.  Catholics around the globe and saying to the agnostics and fence riders, "See, we're not so bad after all?"

Soon, however, this pope will have start backing up his words regarding homosexuals, atheists and women.  "Who am I to judge a homosexual?", "Even atheists who do good works will be welcome in heaven", etc. 

Media spins have the cardinals that support the pope in an uproar over his supposedly ad lib, contra-dogmatic comments.  Don't believe it! It's all part and parcel of a new strategy and the Church leadership (including Pope Francis) have no intention of actually changing anything.

Comment by Joan Denoo on September 16, 2013 at 10:29pm

There is another compounding variable taking place here that explains the conflicts and confusion, often expressed by people who believe in myths, vote their beliefs, end up with lousy government and wonder why? The issue of free will is a symptom of a much deeper problem. If one believes individuals have free will and make decisions based on sound judgment, they simply are wrong. Fear based on disinformation and delusion gets us no where. 

Atheists seem to have a clue about identifying problems based on evidence, creating ideas and processes to overcome challenges, explore and experiment with different things and then observe outcomes. That is how USA put a man on the moon and brought him home safely. 

Gregg Palast, a muckraker of notorious repute, tells a story about how we got into this economic/political mess. It doesn't involve religion, however it does involve what happens when misinformed citizens make choices based on propaganda. Many people do not want to consider his story, valuing loyalty and faithfulness as a higher value than critical thinking. 

Atheists need to speak their truth to power. By remaining silent, atheists become part of the problem. What have we got to lose by being informed and telling the story of cronyism, corruption, and crime? What do we gain if we speak out? 

I have no idea if the voting public members have free will; perhaps fear and disinformation clouds their thinking. In any event, here is the article and the theme I followed since Obama's first inauguration day when he named all neocons to his financial team. 

Larry Summers: Goldman Sacked

Comment by Dorian Moises Mattar on September 16, 2013 at 9:50pm

Joan, that was beautiful writing!

I don't think that you are missing much.

I'll have to look into the origins of Capitalism, but I wouldn't doubt it.

There has to be a better way than this rat race!


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