ORIGINS: UNIVERSE, LIFE, HUMANKIND, AND DARWIN

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ORIGINS: UNIVERSE, LIFE, HUMANKIND, AND DARWIN

We debate origins of the Universe, life, Earth, humans, religion, atheism, using common sense, evolution, cosmology, geology, archaeology, and other sciences, to repel biblical creationism and other religious beliefs.

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Comment by Alex Donovan on December 21, 2008 at 10:49am
The Worldwide Council of Churches once had statistics on its website. It was somewhere around 38,000 denominations, last time I checked.
You'd think that since they all claim 'divine guidance by the Holy Spirit,' they'd get their act together and agree on something.
Comment by Alex Donovan on December 21, 2008 at 10:33am
Exactly, Mario. Claiming that there is something in consciousness that exists independent of the brain is like claiming that you could somehow snatch the software out of a computer into the air and it would still be able to run programs.
Comment by Alex Donovan on December 21, 2008 at 10:31am
Zerosmelt...you should probably try reading the book before you make yourself look silly.
Comment by Mario Romero on December 20, 2008 at 10:39am
Ok, reading the last post I can not help but congratulate myself for finding this site. I know I'm happy about it.

As for what Richard said, attacks on neuroscience are just the latest trend in the attack on science. Neuroscience is after all the study of the various aspects of the fisical brain, try to discredite those studies and sometime you'll find yourself attacking the very root of science, since it is done by the use of our braiins. I don't think it's just related to the dichotomy of naturalism and materialism. Try to convince the people that scientists don't understand the brain and don't know how to actually use it, and people will find themselves doubting just about everything that scientists say.
Comment by Richard Healy on December 19, 2008 at 4:48pm
My impression of the attacks on neuroscience is that it is even more treacherous than that. It's an attempt, I think, to establish a viable dualism to place against the naturalism and methodological materialism of science. I say viable in the same way that 'teach the controversy' in the I.D imbroglio isn't valid as science but it is there to try and erode the popular understanding of accepted scientific knowledge by positing a rival claim. In other circumstances this would be almost fine if they could produce any evidence for their claims, but they never can.

The purpose behind the neuroscience attacks seems to be try to establish some non-natural causation which is to argue on their part that the mind is not just what the brain does.

The consequences of this should be obvious: a backdoor way of considering natural and non natural causation as equal, separation of material and non material events which would have implications for questions of supernatural causes, and I suppose life after death (that conscious activity ceases when brain function ceases etc.)

And this neatly fits into the same pattern of Intelligent Design and the infamous Wedge document of seeking to overturn the consequences of naturalism and as part and parcel of this rejection that our minds (as a function of our brains) are formed by natural selection and evolution. So in this way it's a continuation of the same old agenda by different means.

The point is neuroscience is still seeking the answers to how our brains work and shows reasonably reliably that altering brain states affects mental states.

And this is the evidence that we must confront these IDiots with.

I have found the blog Neurologica very instructive in this regard.

http://www.theness.com/neurologicablog/
Comment by Gary A. Gabbard on December 18, 2008 at 7:18pm
Science is investigating the origins of religious thinking.
You will notice, more and more, religious attacks aimed at neuroscience rather than just evolution. That is the reaction of those (religious) keeping up with scientific discovery.
Much like all other fields, the religious are threatened by the truths being uncovered.
It's another nail in the coffin, and they know it.
Comment by Dr. Terence Meaden on December 18, 2008 at 12:24pm
Hanna J., we are very glad to have you join.

This is where the core substance of atheism is: finding the reasons why the world is what it is, from the origins of the cosmos to the origins of humans and their thinking and behaviour.

Science and commonsense can prove it all, which is a great contrast to the 'goddidit' nonsense coming from the indoctrinated religionists.
Comment by Alfredo Rebello on December 18, 2008 at 9:40am
I am happy for being able to participate of a group with great possibility of high level quarrels .
Comment by Hanna J. on December 17, 2008 at 9:54pm
I am overjoyed to see such an interest in this group!
Comment by linda wagner on December 17, 2008 at 6:34pm
I have a question about churches. Has anybody done a surrey to see where the the most churches are in the US and where the least amount are. Accourding to population.
 

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