ORIGINS: UNIVERSE, LIFE, HUMANKIND, AND DARWIN

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ORIGINS: UNIVERSE, LIFE, HUMANKIND, AND DARWIN

We debate origins of the Universe, life, Earth, humans, religion, atheism, using common sense, evolution, cosmology, geology, archaeology, and other sciences, to repel biblical creationism and other religious beliefs.

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Comment by Jaume on September 8, 2009 at 7:08pm
MCSA - Multidenominational Christian States of America - would be a more accurate acronym.
Comment by Robert Tobin on September 8, 2009 at 6:55pm
The USA. It should be called the UCSA - the United CHRISTIAN States of America. I spent 3 months driving 8,000 miles from Detroit (the ass end of America) to Florida keys, across the Confederate States to San Francisco and then to Hawaii to rest. I was not all that impressed. I found the best part was the airport on the way out.

Oh, I did love the Kennedy Space Center of course and Disneyland, Anaheim.

em hotep
Comment by Joshua on September 8, 2009 at 3:31pm
Being from the USofA, I can say personally that this country is ridiculous. It seems as if every issue is met with blind hysteria, and the right is constantly pulling arguments ever further into the region of the insane while the left legitimizes it through their attempt at continued rational debate and their infighting. If they simply shot down all the wing nuts for their insanity and told them to go sit in the corner and agreed to pass mainstream party policy straight through just because they are part of the democratic party and should make as much change as possible while they actually have power, there might be a hope. Otherwise, it will be 4-8 more years with no heeyaw xtians in office only for it to give way to Tammy Fey's love child rising to power to kill all them dang homosectuals. Personally, I think America should lose its sovereignty and the people of this country be forced into re-education camps for the foreseeable future. Ok, maybe nothing that extreme, but anything short of that probably won't help much.
Comment by Marc Draco on August 31, 2009 at 7:59am
Cool! I'll take a look. Oh wait, it's not cool to say cool at our age, any more. ;p)

I'm finishing off on a new website right now - all on me own, the other developer bailed - so excuse me if I'm a few days. I'll put you in my address book for sure.
Comment by Marc Draco on August 31, 2009 at 7:32am
Succinctly put, Larry. Sad that only a few will hear it.

I fear we are lost voices in the storm.
Comment by Marc Draco on August 30, 2009 at 8:27am
America, America, America - is what they're thinking.

They (both) turn a blind eye to the Theocracy that thrives there in all but name. I think the problem is that they are Christian in orgin and most westerners regard Christianity as "warm and fluffy". Which, of course, it isn't.

I'm at a loss since our Government is forever kissing the US Government's arse - they actually talk about the "special relationship" we have them. It makes me want to vomit - despite the fact that I have several friends of American birth: all, thankfully, atheist.
Comment by Marc Draco on August 30, 2009 at 7:11am
Larry, nice to see a Canadian for once. Love your country - particularly the CN Tower... long story.

I'm in blighty - here very few people attend church but it's the "done thing" to get married in church and christen children - even by agnostics and (gasps) some atheists. Personally, I won't have anything to do with this sort of hypocrisy but I fear it's rife.

Many people still list themselves as being CofE (Anglican) on forms even though they probably never even think of church: it's just the accepted norm.

This means that here at least, the populous can be shown on paper to be more religious than it really is. Church attendance is at an all-time low and dropping - yet Creationist belief is on the rise: largely from the Muslim sub-culture and the political correctness.

Most of this seems to come from south of your country. The influence of which is greater than it should be. Team America was a very sober lesson which (funny as it was) brought home to me, how arrogant America as a country (and Americans as a whole) really is.

Not to tar everyone with the same brush, but looking from here, America is looking increasingly like a dangerous and aggressive Christian Theocracy - little wonder that the even moderate muslims regard it with suspicion.
Comment by Louis Davout on August 30, 2009 at 6:06am
"I think the problem is (and always have) that religious arguments are difficult or impossible to disprove (can't prove a negative) and our arguments are far more complex to get your head around."

Another problem is that science is complex and can be difficult to explain.

"If people honestly believe they are Napoleon (for instance) we lock them up and put them on drugs;" What about one of his marshals? Would I err they be locked up :)
Comment by Marc Draco on August 30, 2009 at 5:44am
Well and good: the science is called "propaganda". Or, if you prefer, "The art of disinformation", or even, most accurately when this lunacy is forced upon defenceless children, "brainwashing".

But they seem to be doing a pretty good job of it and are actually giving the appearance of being in the majority now.

I think the problem is (and always have) that religious arguments are difficult or impossible to disprove (can't prove a negative) and our arguments are far more complex to get your head around.

I think what is needed is for the West to stop fannying around and decide where belief ends and delusion begins: and put a legal framework around that.

If people honestly believe they are Napoleon (for instance) we lock them up and put them on drugs; if they believe the Earth is flat, we laugh at them and ignore them. Yet if they believe that a demonstrable fact of science is wrong - and offer bizarre alternatives with no proof, our politicians venerate them and give them voice.

This has to stop.
Comment by Marc Draco on August 29, 2009 at 5:55pm
Oh Louis. I despair, I really do. I was having this conversation today with a friend (who agrees with us thankfully). I find this common ignorance of science dangerous: particularly among "intelligent" people. The same old arguments are dredged up - like the ones for the moon landing hoax or the 9/11 conspiracy. We shoot them down and they pop back up like fairground ducks. I can't register to put my oar in but I feel the idiots are winning the hearts and minds of the masses.

I have a simple cry: "you say it's not true - show me your evidence"; but then often find myself repeating the same proofs which they can't understand (or refuse to).

Hell's teeth - even the Roman catholic church accepts Darwinian evolution as a fact. With all their power you'd think they could get the message through - but noooooo.... they're more interested in telling poor people not to use condoms.
 

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