ORIGINS: UNIVERSE, LIFE, HUMANKIND, AND DARWIN

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ORIGINS: UNIVERSE, LIFE, HUMANKIND, AND DARWIN

We debate origins of the Universe, life, Earth, humans, religion, atheism, using common sense, evolution, cosmology, geology, archaeology, and other sciences, to repel biblical creationism and other religious beliefs.

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Comment by Rudy V Kiist on December 1, 2009 at 10:16am
My problem is I just discovered Pen & Teller's Bullshit program and some of it is sinking in...LOL
Comment by Rudy V Kiist on December 1, 2009 at 10:06am
One other point I didn't mention. Some species will survive, but humans may not? What other animal (or plant for that matter) is able to adapt to every single continent/climate on Earth, as well as on the ocean and in space? Dandelion comes close, but no cigar. That is outright fear mongering.
Comment by Ogden Lafaye on December 1, 2009 at 10:04am
I acquiesed to the out of context quote but I won't give in to your obvious sentiments or lack therof for the future Larry.
Comment by Ogden Lafaye on December 1, 2009 at 10:03am
Now I disagree with Larry AND Rudy...laughter...but that doesn't mean I am an enemy. Far from it...this is a very entertaining discussion.
Comment by Rudy V Kiist on December 1, 2009 at 9:55am
Years ago we were told we were heading for an ice age...I blindly followed and agreed. Later the same people said, no it's global warming...I blindly followed and agreed. Later I became an atheist and learned to question.

To say any of the natural disasters today is unprecedented in such a short time period is simply false. According to historical records (yeah I hate when people say that too) here in North America between approx. 1000 BC and 800 AD the weather was of such that allowed ideal growing conditions across the continent and as a result cities of the native peoples flourished in the tens of thousands. Immediately following, drought and famine ensued, of which, they never really recovered. Everyone knows the rest of the story when the "white man" arrived. It happens.

My other point is, to many people talk like weather prediction is an exact science. Just yesterday, we received a snow storm that wasn't predicted until it was literally on top of us. And as a farmer whose livelihood is dependent upon the weather, I can assure you a 3 day forecast is moderately accurate, 7 day VERY questionable, and 2 week? Simply doesn't work. On rare occasions it hits, but law of averages easily can account for that. I can honestly say the Farmers Almanac is just as reliable (50-50). And now we're supposedly suppose to believe we can predict decades ahead?

Just heard last month on the news, they now say the arctic ice cap will be gone within 10 years. So I'm putting it here and in writing, "It may be reduced, but it will still be there". Let's wait and see who's right (^_-).
Comment by Ogden Lafaye on December 1, 2009 at 9:48am
In Larry's previous long post regarding his WordPress blog, he says we should prepare to survive the effects of global warming as they are naturally coming with little input from man's emissions. If this is true, then he is correct in saying we should prepare. That means enhancing infrastructure because we sure as hell are not going to evolve into creatures capable of living in the environment that is coming. So, he is essentially saying DO NOTHING for the environment. We are saying "do every thing possible to reduce pollution"

I think I would rather work with nature than retreat into a protective coccoon, augmented with essentials while pretending that nothing is going on outside.
Comment by Ogden Lafaye on December 1, 2009 at 9:38am
Adrian Lea...WoW, well said.

The equilibrium aspect is even harder to get across to sceptics. We began infringing on it in the eqrly 1800's but only recently have we overwhelmed it.

If it were possible to stop all carbon emissions, the earth could recover in decades, in a normal lifetime...this flexibility and ability to recover has been compromised greatly however and the goals the earth struggles with are far below the ideal level humans might enjoy and thrive under. In other words, we have compromised the living conditions of humans for the next 2 or 3 centuries, if, IF we act radically NOW.

My aunt would say of Larry: "Some people just don't see ugly"...laughter

The environment as an entirely natural structure, has an exceptionally vicious attitude towards life. ANY change to this naturalness increases this threat.
Comment by Ogden Lafaye on December 1, 2009 at 9:14am
We have the science Larry, from every field of inquiry, we HAVE laid it on the table...you simply choose to ignore it. You are, in every way, a FunDummie and you are employing their argument style in every respect.
Comment by Ogden Lafaye on December 1, 2009 at 9:11am
Actually, there has never been a time when everyone thought the world was flat. However, there will always be ignorant people who believe the world is flat and that global warming by the people is fallacious.
Comment by Ogden Lafaye on December 1, 2009 at 9:09am
The sentence is out of context but I feel the intent is not responsible to the future...excuse the out of context post, corrections are not possible in these replies for some reason.
 

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