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We debate origins of the Universe, life, Earth, humans, religion, atheism, using common sense, evolution, cosmology, geology, archaeology, and other sciences, to repel biblical creationism and other religious beliefs.

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Comment by Bryon on November 16, 2010 at 12:16am
Well I don't care what we are called...except "Brights"...I love brother Richard but...can file that under not so good ideas.
Comment by Ken Jackson on November 15, 2010 at 9:04pm
Living not at the end of the world but over it, I feel very fortunate to find this site that allows me to retain my sanity while being surrounded by every and all cults of christianity here in the South Pacific.

I have found that the islanders are a lot more respectful of my non beliefs than the average fundie in the United States. But, it is still gratifying to be able to have a place to be with others that are of the same mind.

I have found that the people here are more tolerant and better educated, even thought we do not have the employment opportunities that many others have. Being islanders there is a certain trait that keeps us working together no matter what our nationalities or beliefs or lack thereof.

I very much enjoy reading the posts by those who are by and far better educated than I. I find myself reading and examining statements by all of you and my lookups have served me well. I find myself becoming much better educated and more inquisitive than I was even as a young man...

Thank you all

Just this old Chief's 2 cents
Comment by Tony Davis on November 15, 2010 at 8:12pm
LOL I had better be more careful when taking credit for making up a new word in the future! What I was trying to do (and I often do when talking to fundies, not that anyone here is like that) is avoid all the unfair baggage that so often comes with the word "atheist", as if it means that in addition to not believing in God we also eat babies.

But maybe I will start using "atheologian" in the future. Thoughts? We are studying the reasons why gods aren't real right? Or at least the reasons we don't believe in them?
Comment by Dr. Terence Meaden on November 15, 2010 at 6:57pm
"Atheologist"

There's a great word----meaning somebody who is a supporter of "atheology" but which, at first, I thought might mean the study of atheism.

However, I have just looked up my copy of the Shorter Oxford English Dictionary where I find

atheological = opposed to theology

atheology = opposition to theology

atheologian = one destitute of theology

Of course, the editors of the OED were and still are christians and god believers, so, I suggest, that they selectively massaged a little the meanings to suit themselves.

So, next, I looked for the editors' definition of 'theologist'. It means 'a professed theologian'.

and

'theologian' = 'one who is versed in theology'

and more specifically

'one who makes a study or profession of theology'; 'a divine'.

So there,
I am content to be an atheologist who supports atheology in opposition to theology, seeing that theology is defined as 'the study or science which treats of God, His nature and attributes, and His relations with man and the universe'.
Comment by Tony Davis on November 15, 2010 at 5:07pm
I don't know if the Examiner tracks IP addresses of folks who post there, I certainly have no idea who posts. BUT, I suspect that Tom is a guy that I met on an airplane about 6 months ago. This guy, nice enough and seemed not at all UNintelligent, engaged me in conversation because I was reading on my Kindle (greatest invention of the past couple of years IMHO!). When he noticed that I had books on there like The God Delusion, the King James Version of the Bible, Letter to a Christian Nation, The Case for a Creator, etc., he became interested. But when he found I was a "Atheologist" (OK, I think I made that up, don't know if it will stick..or if others have used it) he resolved to convert me.

Fast forward a bit. We had been emailing each other our debate points for months and after a series of emails that sounded identical to what "Tom" commented on my article, I told him that I respectfully had to break contact. I informed him that I cherish intellectual debate but when he insists that there is zero scientific support for evolution, yet ID is broadly supported by the evidence, we are not even talking as adults and I am frankly too busy.

He wrote me again a few days ago in a last ditch effort to convince me that ID is solid science. Part of my rebuttal was to link back to my articles rather than rehashing previously made points. Then mysteriously "Tom" shows up two days ago.

Sounds a lot like what happened here: http://unreasonablefaith.com/2009/03/20/pastor-gets-caught-lying-fo...
Comment by Bryon on November 15, 2010 at 4:24pm
Seems to me that Tom Believes in ghosts, he does he does he does believe in ghosts.
Comment by Tony Davis on November 15, 2010 at 12:47pm
I have not gotten any flak so far other than the really goofy comment from "Tom". The Examiner staff has given me only positive feedback so far. But hey, I only started it last month so we shall see.
Comment by Susan Stanko on November 15, 2010 at 11:37am
Hugh seems to be doing just fine on that site.
Comment by Gary Berg-Cross on November 15, 2010 at 9:09am
Tony.

Welcome..

I see that you are writing for examiner.com in DC. One thing about that group. It is owned by "Christian billionaire Phil Anschutz". Wikipedia has info on him and the group noting that:

" he is a Republican donor who supported George W. Bush's administration. He has been an active patron of a number of religious and conservative causes:

* Helped fund Colorado's 1992 Amendment 2, a ballot initiative designed to overturn local and state laws that prohibit discrimination against individuals on the basis of sexual orientation but was invalidated by Romer v. Evans after it passed.[26]
* Helped fund the Discovery Institute, a think tank based in Seattle, Washington that promotes intelligent design and criticizes evolution.[27]
* Supported the Parents Television Council, a group that protests against television indecency.[27]
* Financed and distributed films with Christian themes, such as Amazing Grace and The Chronicles of Narnia: The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe, for mass audiences through his two film production companies and ownership of much of the Regal, Edwards and United Artists theater chains.
* Financed The Foundation for a Better Life.
* In 2009 Anschutz purchased the conservative American opinion magazine The Weekly Standard from Rupert Murdoch's News Corporation.[28]

So you are probably going to swimming against a big tide on that site.
Comment by Tony Davis on November 15, 2010 at 8:47am
Hello everyone. I am new here and look forward to reading all (well, at least a representative sample!) of the insightful comments posted here.

As a "nube" this might not be appropriate use of time and space but I thought I'd give it a go.

I would like to invite anyone who cares to to chime in on the comments section of a column I am writing. Actually, I would like all who might be interested to read my column and offer constructive criticism and feedback as much of what I write there will find its way into a book I am writing.

But specifically I would like to direct your attention to one article in particular. My column is here: http://www.examiner.com/skepticism-in-washington-dc/tony-davis

I am new at it actually and need to get cracking on a series that addresses the various apologetic arguments.

The article I most want to draw the attention of this group to though is this article: http://www.examiner.com/skepticism-in-washington-dc/counting-on-the...

If you read it, notice the comment posted by someone named Tom: "Intelligent design is closer to a proven fact than is the old theory of evolution. DNA is one reason. Fossil records including Cambrian explosion is one reason. Mathematical probability is one reason."

Complete nonsense of course so anyone who wants to chime in would be appreciated.

OK, sorry for the long first post!

VR,
Tony
 

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