ORIGINS: UNIVERSE, LIFE, HUMANKIND, AND DARWIN

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ORIGINS: UNIVERSE, LIFE, HUMANKIND, AND DARWIN

We debate origins of the Universe, life, Earth, humans, religion, atheism, using common sense, evolution, cosmology, geology, archaeology, and other sciences, to repel biblical creationism and other religious beliefs.

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Comment by Marc Draco on January 11, 2009 at 10:31am
"claiming that you could somehow snatch the software out of a computer into the air and it would still be able to run programs."

You mean you can't? My world is destroyed! ;-)
Comment by Dr. Terence Meaden on January 9, 2009 at 1:32pm
To Arshad, you are to be congratulated on your well-expressed writing in English and your accurate understanding of religion and the horrors it can and does commit. You are right to say that in the west holding discussions about atheism and theism can look like “a playful intellectual matter” in the sense that it is not dangerous to life; and to say, by contrast, that “when religion is politicized, it turns into a monster ... a direct threat to human civilization process”. One laments how this has come about, in which the brains of religious fanatics operate at such a low level of intelligence whether christian or muslim. And still worse, that Mohammed was likely no more than a smart epileptic, having visions during his fits of near-unconsciousness, and that he and his followers succeeded in fitting his narrow knowledge of a patriarchal desert world into a grander scheme that became a fighting desert religion.

You then say: “I salute to the Western thinkers who have given light to all human beings. The whole literature and whole knowledge is coming from West. It has been a question, how Western mind became curious, logical, pluralistic, and why so called "South" Third World remained intellectually primitive minded... While before few hundred years, Western nations were also in the same conditions.”

Yes, the evil establishments that were pope-led christianity and protestant christianity in medieval times suppressed independent thought for centuries, although gradually a few brave thinkers made breakthroughs. One of the turning points was the establishment of the Royal Society in Britain in the seventeenth century, supported by the curiosity of the king. Simultaneously, and earlier too, some great minds were at work in France, Germany and Italy, etc. Advances were being made in many sciences, but the church held firm against some sciences (medicine, cosmology, geology, ‘ORIGINS’ generally). There was no progress in the Muslim countries, for most Muslim states were theocratic states. I need not go on. You know the story well.

I end this brief note by appending a little good news, about the brave Taslima Nasreen. I expect you know this already.

"France comes to the rescue of Taslima Nasreen "

National Secular Society Honorary Associate Taslima Nasreen is to live in Paris, it has been reported. The Bangladeshi writer has been under threat of death from Islamist extremists who accuse her of blasphemy in her writings.

Municipal authorities in Paris will provide her with a large studio in an artists' residence in the French capital, and initially pay her rent. Nasreen, who was made an honorary citizen of Paris in July 2008, put in an application for housing six weeks ago.

"You are at home here, in the city where it was proclaimed that men are born and remain free and equal and nobody can be condemned for their beliefs," Paris Mayor Bertrand Delanoe said when she was given honorary citizenship.
Comment by Library Grape on January 6, 2009 at 3:32pm
glad to see a group here with such sharp commentary
Comment by Shoe on January 6, 2009 at 2:21pm
I've been waiting for that dang book ever since I read "Mapping Mars". It's finally available on Amazon! (I think it's been available in the UK for, like, years.)
Comment by Richard Healy on January 2, 2009 at 4:51am
Sounds interesting, Don.

*adds it to the list*
Comment by crabsallover on December 31, 2008 at 7:38am
I'm giving a talk on Darwin, Science & Humanist in York on 9th Feb and again in Bournemouth on 12th Feb (Darwin Day). I'd be interested in anyone with Powerpoint presentations on these topics.

www.HASSERS.org
Comment by Rosemary LYNDALL WEMM on December 31, 2008 at 12:35am
The evolution of man ....

http://www.ahajokes.com/crt145.html
Comment by Alex Donovan on December 21, 2008 at 10:49am
The Worldwide Council of Churches once had statistics on its website. It was somewhere around 38,000 denominations, last time I checked.
You'd think that since they all claim 'divine guidance by the Holy Spirit,' they'd get their act together and agree on something.
Comment by Alex Donovan on December 21, 2008 at 10:33am
Exactly, Mario. Claiming that there is something in consciousness that exists independent of the brain is like claiming that you could somehow snatch the software out of a computer into the air and it would still be able to run programs.
Comment by Alex Donovan on December 21, 2008 at 10:31am
Zerosmelt...you should probably try reading the book before you make yourself look silly.
 

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