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ORIGINS: UNIVERSE, LIFE, HUMANKIND, AND DARWIN

We debate origins of the Universe, life, Earth, humans, religion, atheism, using common sense, evolution, cosmology, geology, archaeology, and other sciences, to repel biblical creationism and other religious beliefs.

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The portrait is Charles Darwin, age 31, in 1840

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Comment by Marc Draco on March 6, 2009 at 5:02pm
WASPs all over America are now dropping to their knees and praying. Hopefully, those prayers will be answered the same as all other prayers are.
Comment by Leslee Love on March 6, 2009 at 3:36pm
Yes! And isn't it fantastic! Obama!!
Comment by Dr. Terence Meaden on March 3, 2009 at 5:34pm
Re Claudia's comment, below:

These matters are very tricky.
They are at the cutting edge of advanced cosmology and mathematics, and are in the course of being solved.
The answer, though, should lie in quantum mechanics as Vic Stenger, physicist, proposes.
Before the Big Bang. because the implied void is so unstable, there could have been a Big Crunch.
Crunches and Bangs could alternate.
Universes exist in real time. Big Bang starts as real time. Big Crunch ends as real time.
The one leads towards the other and to the implied void and instability. This would be timeless chaotic emptiness, but immediately quantum mechanics suggests that a new Universe formed because a new BB would immediately follow. The situation could well continue ad infinitum. Universes always were. In REAL TIME universes are all there can be. They are eternally present, forever existing, because their absence would imply an unstable state of the void that cannot exist in time.
Therefore, a universe–or universes—must be. They always were and always shall be.

It is best to raise these deep questions on the open discussion board, to allow expert mathematicians and cosmologists to expand the argument. Try doing that. Other promising approaches involve string theory, multi-dimensional states and colliding branes.
Terence.
Comment by Franrose O on February 17, 2009 at 12:15am
The book that was established by Charles Darwin explained the theory of life sciences. On his 50th birthday, he unleashed the idea that species evolve and adapt to their environments. He investigated the changes of species and considered his theory of natural selection. Natural selection is one of the hottest points of discussions in the world, never mind payday loans. No other idea has been so praised and vilified perhaps in all history.
Comment by Tedster on February 6, 2009 at 10:32pm
You guys. could I also request that you follow Dr. Terance's request? This also gives me a headache.
Comment by Richard Francis on February 6, 2009 at 12:11pm
Hi Claudia,

What Einstein was talking about when he said that imagination was more important than knowledge is that you need to think outside the box to stretch beyond what we know at the moment.

That is the difference between faith and science. For science, imagination (hypothesis) is the starting point for learning the truth, and for faith, it is the end point.

A scientist will look at a phenomenon and 'imagine' how it could have happened. They will then test their hypothesis, redefine if necessary, have it independently tested and only then will they call it a fact (with a caveat that some measure of doubt is always healthy)

A religious person will look at a phenomenon and fabricate a story that vaguely fits...... and then they call it the absolute truth. "The only way"

This latter practise is an unhealthy, weak way of living and limits further understanding.

"The word god is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses"

Albert Einstein (from letter written on January 3, 1954)

Thanks for your thoughts.

All the best

Richard

p.s. Sorry Dr Meaden. I will paste this to the above discussion.
Comment by Dr. Terence Meaden on February 6, 2009 at 11:35am
Dear Claudia
Thank you for writing again.
May I gently ask you to copy and paste your latest comment into the discussion called ORIGINS OF FAITH (see above). I am just trying to tidy up the discussion comments so that it is easier for everyone (especially visitors and new members) to find. Terry.
Comment by Marc Draco on February 6, 2009 at 9:09am
Done, Dr. Meaden. I hope we can continue this over there and that us "usual suspects" can bring our posts over there.

I brought (that thought experiment) up with a highly-skilled, agnostic and auto-didactic designer I work with; he thought about it for moment, went a little pale and then professed that his head was about to explode.
Comment by Dr. Terence Meaden on February 6, 2009 at 8:48am
Marc, you may take the lead on this---on starting a discussion topic named "Origins of Faith"--- if you wish. In that case, try transferring a slightly modified version of what you wrote, and/or encourage the others to do the same.
Comment by Marc Draco on February 6, 2009 at 5:49am
Certainly an idea - we have slipped off topic somewhat. ;-)
 

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