ORIGINS: UNIVERSE, LIFE, HUMANKIND, AND DARWIN

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ORIGINS: UNIVERSE, LIFE, HUMANKIND, AND DARWIN

We debate origins of the Universe, life, Earth, humans, religion, atheism, using common sense, evolution, cosmology, geology, archaeology, and other sciences, to repel biblical creationism and other religious beliefs.

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Comment by Louis Davout on September 30, 2009 at 2:13am
Comment by Marc Draco on September 29, 2009 at 1:08pm
In my travels, I've come across a few people who were both devout Christians and accepted Darwinian evolution as a fact. Most science (all probably) is easier to follow if you jettison the supernatural.

However, your point is well taken, and this is something that I think we should address at every possible opportunity - that the one does not follow the other. The balance has shifted fairly heavily due to the work of Richard Dawkins: who for all his brilliance seems to have become the poster child for Evolution=Atheism.

I'd really appreciate if some of you could take a look at Davison's blog and see what he's on about and if it's worth us debunking.

Davison and Marshall appear to be suffering from a delusion that they're right (albeit with conflicting ideas) and that our Darwinian ideas are wrong. The trouble with their blogs is that many people come and support their ideas - presumably adding to the delusion.
Comment by Marc Draco on September 29, 2009 at 6:01am
Anyone here familiar with John A. Davison (Ph.D)? I can't follow his reasoning and it seems nonsensical, but like the usually deluded, he's full of his own hubris (while deriding others for the same offense!).

His blog is here: jadavison.wordpress.com and I'm wondering if he's just another crackpot to be ignored or someone worth detailed scrutiny at the Museum of Ignorance?

What really troubles me is the way that so many of these dudes equate Darwinian Evolution with atheism as if one requires the other: which it clearly doesn't. This is irritating and it's bad for the progression of proper science in America particularly where being seen as an atheist is almost as bad as being a career criminal.

I was an atheist long before I was educated in biology; and by long I mean at least a decade or over 50% of my life at the time.
Comment by Marc Draco on September 29, 2009 at 5:53am
Hey, if you haven't heard "Storm" by Tim Minchin, have a listen here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UB_htqDCP-s

Very rude (not for the easily offended - or faithful). Brightened my day no end.
Comment by Jared Lardo on September 27, 2009 at 9:23pm
I was talking with a conspiracy-hypothesist (they aren't theories, c'mon) who clearly has that meta-magical thinking going on. He dissed NPR--basically saying "it's what THEY want you to listen to". The pattern of the development of conspiracy hypotheses and the ignoring of basic reasoning with regard to the ideas fits one-to-one with evil. "Evil" the force--the Decepticons, the Dark Side, and so forth--not the sensation. It seemed like a terrific insight when I realized it.
Comment by Marc Draco on September 27, 2009 at 6:20am
Thanks folks. Odd how Principal becomes Law in the latin...
Comment by Mike Layfield on September 26, 2009 at 9:54pm
Ockham's Razor
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam's_razor
Comment by Mike Layfield on September 26, 2009 at 9:52pm
"Pluralitas non est ponenda sine necessitate" translates "plurality should not be posited without necessity." William of Ockham came up with this formulation in the 14th century to counter the assumption-larded arguments of the Neo-platonists of his day. The idea is that explanations with fewer assumptions more closely approximate the truth than explanations with more assumptions. More ≠ better.
Comment by Jaume on September 26, 2009 at 7:14pm
Lex Parsimoniae
Comment by Marc Draco on September 26, 2009 at 5:26pm
Can someone translate the "Principle of Parsimony" into classical Latin, please? I can't get my head around it... (Latin that is, not the razor!)
 

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