ORIGINS: UNIVERSE, LIFE, HUMANKIND, AND DARWIN

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ORIGINS: UNIVERSE, LIFE, HUMANKIND, AND DARWIN

We debate origins of the Universe, life, Earth, humans, religion, atheism, using common sense, evolution, cosmology, geology, archaeology, and other sciences, to repel biblical creationism and other religious beliefs.

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Comment by Joseph P on September 17, 2013 at 4:43pm

Same here, Chad, with the Supreme Court nominees.  Even if I was center of the road (which I'm not) on economic issues, the psycho, hard-right turn that the Republican party has made on social issues would make that more important than the economic issues, right now.  Is that pretty much the case, for you?

For transparency sake, let me say that I'm definitely left.  The only reason I vote Democrat is because the Green Party doesn't stand a chance in hell, and I'm in a swing state.  I'm just trying to interpret your position here.

Comment by Chad Kreutzer on September 17, 2013 at 2:39pm

I've been registered Republican most of my life, but as the Religious Right has gained more and more influence in the party, I've been pretty much driven out. (I even voted for Obama both times, mainly cause of potential Supreme Court appointments) It seems to me that the GOP has forgotten the meaning of "Big Tent" and as such, I would not be surprised that they'll Tea-party themselves into irrelevance as more and more rational people leave for either the Libertarian Party, the Democrats, or something else that we haven't heard much about yet.

Comment by Homer Edward Price on September 17, 2013 at 2:30pm

Don't forget that the believers are also much more numerous in this country than the non-believers and that they were actively recruited into politics by the right-wing Republicans.   The Democrats have been running from us ever since.  This was demonstrated when the party insiders rammed "God" in to the Democratic Party platform despite an obvious "no" in the voice vote.

Comment by Chad Kreutzer on September 17, 2013 at 1:54pm
It's easy to be loud when you're absolutely right. We have a hard time being strident because of our constant acknowledgement of doubt and uncertainty. Consider the blowback often received from within our community by the "New Atheists" because of that very thing.
Comment by Drew Carpenter on September 17, 2013 at 1:49pm

I agree, Chad. They are better organized and louder. The louder part, I think, comes from a need to reinforce their beliefs when rational justificaton is not possible.

Comment by Chad Kreutzer on September 17, 2013 at 1:39pm
The problem I see is that Humans are Humans and magical thinking come naturally to us. So despite advances in science and education, I don't think religion will ever be completely eradicated. Also, as we can already see, true believers are almost always louder, more insistent and better organized than rationalists. And those things make up a lot for smaller numbers when reckoning cultural influence.
Comment by Dorian Moises Mattar on September 17, 2013 at 12:59pm
Everything
Comment by Drew Carpenter on September 17, 2013 at 12:21pm

That is good news, Dorian. I wonder how much the internet might have to do with this move away from religion?

Comment by Dorian Moises Mattar on September 17, 2013 at 11:01am
Comment by Lex Allen on September 17, 2013 at 1:04am

I disagree somewhat with Dorian Moises Mattar that, "religious institutions are loosing so much ground that they are throwing wild punches in desperation."

In fact, the resignation of Benedict and election of Francis was a brilliantly calculated move.  Out with the old, in with the new, flexible and slightly more accommodating Pope who appeals to the young.  Church membership has stopped its decline, in fact it's moving upwards.  Catholics around the globe and saying to the agnostics and fence riders, "See, we're not so bad after all?"

Soon, however, this pope will have start backing up his words regarding homosexuals, atheists and women.  "Who am I to judge a homosexual?", "Even atheists who do good works will be welcome in heaven", etc. 

Media spins have the cardinals that support the pope in an uproar over his supposedly ad lib, contra-dogmatic comments.  Don't believe it! It's all part and parcel of a new strategy and the Church leadership (including Pope Francis) have no intention of actually changing anything.

 

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