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ORIGINS: UNIVERSE, LIFE, HUMANKIND, AND DARWIN

We debate origins of the Universe, life, Earth, humans, religion, atheism, using common sense, evolution, cosmology, geology, archaeology, and other sciences, to repel biblical creationism and other religious beliefs.

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The portrait is Charles Darwin, age 31, in 1840

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Comment by Roy on November 6, 2012 at 7:34pm

The book Man Made God that I have is by Barbara Walker.  It's very good in my opinion.  A lot of it pertains to women's issues.  I highly recommend it.

Comment by Neal Schermerhorn on November 6, 2012 at 6:51pm

I was going to say "man made god". Didn't know it was a book!

Many Christians say God was just always there, he never started and won't stop. When I point out that if their god can be beyond time and space, why can't something else which science might someday discover, they don't like that very much.

I like the theory that "god" is simply one's own self, playing "hide-and-seek" with itself, a sort of mild disassociative disorder if you will. Certainly explains why people fight over it so much.

Comment by sk8eycat on November 6, 2012 at 6:00pm

There is no satisfactory answer. Believers claim that the Big Bang could not have caused the universe "out of nothing."  Nobody said it did.The most likely theory is the explosion of the Monobloc.  But at the same time, they are claiming that their god came into existence out of nothing.  Can't have it both ways.

As for "Who made god?", Dan Barker goes into that quite thoroughly in Losing Faith in Faith and Godless

It's a great conversation-stopper, IMO.  Shuts the fundies right up. If that's the result you want.  They can't answer it because there IS no answer...because there never was a god, for one thing.

YHWH, and all the other gods came from the mind(lessness) of human beings, which means they are lesser beings than we are..

There is a book by Susan Jacoby that I haven't read yet called Man Made God.  I MUST read it!

Comment by sk8eycat on November 6, 2012 at 4:13pm

When I was in my mid-20s, I was having a hard time with a lot of personal things, so I read the entire buybull from cover to cover, looking for answers. 

Guess what!  If you really read the whole thing, instead of selected "buybull study" chapters, it becomes obvious that it's fiction.  BAD fiction. 

I read it again to make sure, and when I finished, it felt as if a 100 lb bag of fertilizer had fallen off my shoulders.  It was the most liberating experience of my life, and I never looked back.

I pity my friends who are still mired in fear and slavery to a myth, but I keep my mouth shut.  Unless somebody asks.  Sometimes I get snarky and say I'm a Druid...most people doon't know Jack about Druidism.

Comment by Idaho Spud on November 6, 2012 at 3:21pm

Jimmy M, I like your post.

Comment by Joan Denoo on November 6, 2012 at 1:30pm

Sondra Brooks, you describe a very familiar feeling. Some may have a moment of understanding; it is taking me a long time. The journey is not only interesting but fun and exciting. 

Comment by Joan Denoo on November 6, 2012 at 1:28pm

Jimmy McCann, Yes, to everything you wrote. Powerfully, honestly, beautifully. 
For me, it was realizing I had put my trust into something that was not trustworthy; that I have all that I need to explore and experiment and test all those things of which you write without guilt or shame. 
My moral compass has not failed me and I am so grateful to know I am made up of the elements of the universe, that the universe is part of me and I am part of it. 

Comment by Sondra Brooks on November 6, 2012 at 8:26am

Jimmy:  Leaving my religion was the scariest thing I've ever done.  I may as well have been throwing myself off a cliff.  I went through about a six month depression, then into the present stage where I want to grab everyone by the shoulders and tell them I finally know the truth.  Yes, the truth does make you free.  And I've freed up a lot of brain-space.  Xians always "knew best" what I was supposed to do with my time and my thoughts.   

You expressed it very well.

Comment by Joseph P on October 30, 2012 at 12:23pm

I've got a Snorg TShirts ad.  :-p

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Comment by Lillie on October 30, 2012 at 12:20pm

Nice to see a science ad at the top of the page for a change.

 

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