ORIGINS: UNIVERSE, LIFE, HUMANKIND, AND DARWIN

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ORIGINS: UNIVERSE, LIFE, HUMANKIND, AND DARWIN

We debate origins of the Universe, life, Earth, humans, religion, atheism, using common sense, evolution, cosmology, geology, archaeology, and other sciences, to repel biblical creationism and other religious beliefs.

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Comment by Fred Trellis on April 14, 2012 at 12:04am

Dear Mr Tidman

 I thought that I had evolved faster and was peculiar in some way.


You are half right.


Best regards, F.


Comment by Sarah Walton on April 13, 2012 at 11:38pm

Chris. They can hear your thoughts, man. Adjust your tinfoil hat.

Comment by Richard ∑wald on April 13, 2012 at 11:05pm

Horton hears a who's who...

Boil that dust speck I say!

Comment by Greg LeGore on April 13, 2012 at 10:54pm

@Chris:  what people say about you, and assessments of how accomplished you are - both are irrelevant to the truth, the substantiation of an idea.  I've done some pretty cool stuff too, and know others who have done outrageous things...but the truth or falsehood of what we think and say is based upon the facts, not what we ourselves or anyone else thinks of us.  That's why Einstein, brilliant as he was, played almost no role in the development of quantum physics or subsequent progress.  You may or may not be brilliant and accomplished (and if you are, that is wonderful), but your ideas and statements gain no credibility due to your standing in the world.  That's true for anyone.

Comment by Joseph P on April 13, 2012 at 7:54am

Is the Christ Id Man show still on?

 

Well, he flat-out admitted that he's a Creationist.  His statements about Evolution just demonstrate that he's learned very little beyond some Creationist straw-man.

It's like I've told the one or two religious nuts that we have in my department at work:  if you want to know about Evolution, you don't learn it from some preacher who's lying about it to turn you into a fundamentalist nut.  You learn it from an evolutionary biologist.  I've been loaning out by copy of 'The Greatest Show on Earth'.

Chris apparently needs to learn that lesson.

Comment by Fred Trellis on April 13, 2012 at 4:37am

I'm going to second what The Flying Atheist says, with one huge caveat.

"In Our Time" fails utterly when talking modern(ish) science.  History of science - no problem.  The cultural significance of "Waiting for Godot" - no problem.  Feminist readings of Marxian geography, with particular reference to Detroit gangland culture - no problem.

I don't recall the exact episode  - there was some very well spoken woman trying to discuss (light bulb filaments?   Magnets (how the frack do they work?) ?.  Space travel? - I forget what exactly) and it was so abysmally ill-informed, I never listened again.  

It was like "In Our Time" was a series of lectures on science, presented by C. Tidman.

Comment by Richard ∑wald on April 13, 2012 at 2:43am

Is the Christ Id Man show still on?

Comment by The Flying Atheist on April 13, 2012 at 1:54am

@Fred Trellis

An interesting coincidence that you bring up the name Lamarck.  Earlier today I listened to an old podcasts from 2003 of "In Our Time" from BBC Radio with Melvyn Bragg.  The topic discussed with his three panelists was "Jean-Baptiste Lamarck and Natural Selection."

Podcast info here:  Lamarck and Natural Selection

Podcast player:  http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/console/p005495d

For everyone:  if you're not familiar with the "In Our Time" program, you should check it out.  Every episode is an interesting discussion with Melvyn Bragg and three scholars.  Topics vary from history, science, religion, cultural...everything...old and new.  I was introduced to it last year and am in the process of listening to past years' episodes.  I just finished the year 2003!!  Great stuff. 

Comment by Fred Trellis on April 12, 2012 at 11:32pm

@tidman.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamarckism

This is the third comment you have made which suggests you do not understand the current synthesis that is evolutionary theory.  You are investing the individual with an evolutionary effect or significance the individual simply does not have individually as an individual individual.  As an individual in a group - yes.  As an individual on their own - no.  

Comment by Joseph P on April 12, 2012 at 12:25pm
He's too important to read what others say, correcting his preaching.
 

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